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  • #16
    Originally posted by Neil Frarey View Post
    Who's mob? Your mob? The mobs that destroyed inner cities across America? Those are YOUR mobs.

    ‘People will do what they do’ -- Nancy Pelosi

    Democratic senators raised bail money for anarchists who burned down Democratic run cities -- Kamala Harris

    Allowing chaos in American cities was a policy choice by Democratic officials and they tried real hard to blame it all on Trump!

    ...

    ‘People will do what they do’ -- Nancy Pelosi

    Gotta love that line, eh?

    'Some people who did something' -- Ilhan Omar

    Gotta love that line too, eh?

    ...

    How long did it take for YOUR mobs to back off from their violence and burning and looting???

    Let's just look at Federal building in Portland ???

    How many officers attacked while defending properties across America from YOUR mobs ... ???

    ...

    And here you are with your fake ass concern ... hypocrite.

    Are you addressing me? You should quote my post if that is what you are doing. It isn't clear who you are responding to, but it looks like me. I don't know you at all, but if you are calling me a hypocrite, I'd like to know exactly what you mean because your post is all over the map and doesn't make any sense (like Trump himself).

    So try and calm down and explain yourself. When you say "your mob" I am assuming you mean because I support the Democrats in the USA (even though I am in Canada), and yes, I admit to supporting Democrats. You obviously hate Democrats. I have no idea what motivates that hatred, maybe you can explain it.

    Anyway, neither Democrats nor Republicans can claim innocence when it comes to mobs. Let's use that as a starting point, if you can calm down enough to do that.

    Meanwhile, it is almost looking like Trump himself COULD HAVE directed DC metro police to let the mob into the Capitol buildings. Somebody very high up had to make that happen, because the normal job of those police is to keep the mob out. But they are on video willingly letting the mob in and even taking selfies with them.

    If it was Trump and can be proven, he is destined to an old age behind bars. The "orange man" will take on a whole new meaning then.







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    • #17
      Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post

      If a few people 'benefit more from the system' than others can, either there is something wrong with the system, which needs to be rectified quickly, or the system itself is neutral towards all, but some are just rewarded as per what they do... in the latter case, the one who is rewarded does not owe anything to anyone else, though he or she may choose to make huge charitable donations...
      Yes. They are rewarded for donating to political candidates who then write legislation that favours those who make the donations.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Vlad Drkulec View Post

        Yes. They are rewarded for donating to political candidates who then write legislation that favours those who make the donations.
        Government is a dangerous institution. Libertarians have a great antipathy to power in the hands of politicians...thus they limit government, generally through a written constitution enumerating and limiting the powers that the people delegate to government. Limited government is the basic political implication of libertarianism, and a strong antidote to corruption you refer to...

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        • #19
          Libertarianism is a political philosophy and movement that upholds liberty as a core principle. Libertarians seek to maximize autonomy and political freedom, emphasizing free association, freedom of choice, individualism and voluntary association. Wikipedia


          My problem with Libertarianism is that I constantly find it raising self-interest above common good. So even if society needs to get a common good benefit by putting some limit on human freedom, the Libertarian argues against it.

          I am not referring to breaching human rights totally, allegedly for the common good, as we see in the USSR-style Communism.

          But the common good does sometimes demand some limits on total individual freedom within society.

          Bob A

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          • #20
            You have a legitimate concern, bit it is not so simple, Bob...

            Let us take the example of masks during our pandemic. If the government 'educates' the people that if you do not wear masks, you may infect others, and if that happens, those responsible will pay a heavy price for it through the courts... no sensible person will want to take the risk of almost going bankrupt by not wearing a good mask!

            Let us talk about health care: I grew up in a lower middle-class family in India, but always had very good private health-care, because in a direct doctor - patient interaction, health care is not expensive; only in the American system of a useless third party (insurance companies) being involved, or in the Canadian system of useless bureaucracy having more power than the 'good direct care giver', is there so much waste and futile (and sometimes harmful) activity; and when you leave it to the market forces without government regulations favoring big-pharma, the prices of medications will also hit rock-bottom...

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            • #21
              Hi Dilip:

              Re Masks & COVID-19 - seems we have agreement on this - that the citizen's rights to wear what s/he wants, and not wear what s/he doesn't want, SHOULD be limited for the common good of trying to minimize in society those transmitting the disease to others (I have seen stats that someone with COVID who is a transmitter, who wears a mask properly, cuts down their ability to infect others by as much as 94%).
              [NOTE: I am not wanting to discuss the whole issue of masks effectiveness here - I'm just making the statement I believe in given all the conflicting information out there with myriads of contradicting reports]

              It is my belief that some Libertarians argue that this is in fact an unwarranted intrusion on the rights and freedoms of the citizen. Has anyone else had disagreement on government mask policy from someone who is a Libertarian, and claims it is not in accord with their politics?

              Bob

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                Hi Dilip:

                Re Masks & COVID-19 - seems we have agreement on this - that the citizen's rights to wear what s/he wants, and not wear what s/he doesn't want, SHOULD be limited for the common good of trying to minimize in society those transmitting the disease to others (I have seen stats that someone with COVID who is a transmitter, who wears a mask properly, cuts down their ability to infect others by as much as 94%).
                [NOTE: I am not wanting to discuss the whole issue of masks effectiveness here - I'm just making the statement I believe in given all the conflicting information out there with myriads of contradicting reports]

                It is my belief that some Libertarians argue that this is in fact an unwarranted intrusion on the rights and freedoms of the citizen. Has anyone else had disagreement on government mask policy from someone who is a Libertarian, and claims it is not in accord with their politics?

                Bob
                Morning Bob, that's a great and interesting post. I've read that one of the principles of Libertarianism is the adult version of the schoolyard rule "you don't hit others". So then I guess the next step is, well, is not wearing a mask, which could "hurt others", equivalent to the simplistic "hit others"? I don't know. Then the next angle is wouldn't the answer be different for different reasons when living in a different health care jurisdiction? For example, by accepting/using funded health care like we have in Canada (vs. the U.S.), doesn't the government get to set some of the "rules"?!

                Back to our pandemic though, regardless of the above, from the viewpoint of helping vs. hurting the situation, I'm always wearing a mask. I think the odds are very low, at times even practically impossible, that I could have COVID-19, so I am a low risk to spread it. But if wearing a mask could even possibly help, why not do so? At this point, anything to support the health care system!

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                • #23
                  Over the years, I have noticed that the people who do the most bitching about government or health care systems stop complaining when they need it (E.I. or hospitalization etc)
                  Of course, arguing for reforms or better implementation is one thing (and a good thing) but endless bitching about a collective service funded by all taxpayers seems like a dead end.
                  Reminds me of people I worked with in the early 70's who had no children and complained about education taxes... I asked them why they didn't complain about Provincial and Federal Parks since they weren't the camping types.... crickets.
                  ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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                  • #24
                    Why Socialism is not so destructive for Sweden as it is elsewhere:
                    Minimal government regulations in everyday life and in business (it is in the top 10 for ease of doing business), complete transparency in government, lack of 'hype' for authority (CEO salaries are realistic, not fantastic), no hero worship of politicians ( https://mg.co.za/article/2019-05-31-...r-swedish-mps/ ), all of the above being the offshoots of a non-corrupt culture....

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                    • #25
                      Hi Dilip - For many of us, Sweden is NOT considered a "socialist" country. Sweden has what we call a capitalist Social Democracy (= Capitalism with a human face).

                      The three implementations of socialism are:

                      1. Democratic Socialism - Venezuela
                      2. Democratic Marxism - the closest is Chile in 1971-3 under President Salvadore Allende and his minority Unity Government
                      3. USSR-style Communism - China, Cuba

                      Others may wish to comment on whether this is a standard definition.

                      Bob A

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                      • #26
                        Here's a good video that might help explain the various terms....
                         
                        Everybody gets so much information all day long that they lose their common sense. - Gertrude Stein

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post

                          ...ism with a human face...

                          The nurturing, compassionate, helpful-in-need 'human face' has always existed in the extended family, the neighborhood, the local providers, the local 'church' (or other local congregations)... and has worked very efficiently over centuries in all parts of our world...
                          But it is being usurped by the faceless mega-government wasteful and often harmful 'socialist' projects, giving a high pedestal to authoritarian bureaucrats (who keep on mesmerizing till such time as they get kicked out with multi-million dollar severances), to corrupt politicians and to 'super-human' capitalists who are able to amass wealth out of all proportion to any human being's capabilities....

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                          • #28
                            Hi Dilip - a good list of attacks on all 3 types of "socialism", many of which have at least some truth in them.

                            I am suggesting to the world, that Democratic Marxism will do better on these fronts, than the heretofore existing Democratic Socialist and USSR-style Communist countries. We will see what happens when the Democratic Marxist Party of Ontario gets rolling towards the June, 2022 Ontario provincial election.

                            Bob A

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                              Hi Dilip - a good list of attacks on all 3 types of "socialism", many of which have at least some truth in them.

                              I am suggesting to the world, that Democratic Marxism will do better on these fronts, than the heretofore existing Democratic Socialist and USSR-style Communist countries. We will see what happens when the Democratic Marxist Party of Ontario gets rolling towards the June, 2022 Ontario provincial election.

                              Bob A
                              Pardon my ignorance, Bob, but can you elaborate on your concept of 'Democratic Marxism'?

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                              • #30
                                Hi Dilip: Can I first give the strategic goals of the fledgling Democratic Marxist Party of Ontario (DMPO), and then I will deal with the political position of Democratic Marxism.

                                Democratic Marxist Party of Ontario

                                Goals (Strategic)


                                Goal 1 - The 1,000 Project - Sell to Ontario electors 1,000 Convention Memberships - entitles them to one vote at the First Convention


                                Goal 2 - The Convention Project - Organize our First Convention


                                Goal 3 - The Registration Project - After officially organizing and adopting a platform, official registration as a political party in Ontario, Canada - the Convention Members will sign the necessary 1,000 signature petition required as part of the registration process.


                                Goal 4 - The Election Project - If registration is completed in time, to run at least one Candidate in the expected June, 2022 Ontario election.


                                Discussion


                                We will post items for discussion in the Fb political discussion group of the Democratic Marxist Global Institute, called Democratic Marxist Global Forum
                                (https://www.facebook.com/groups/2045711862207056/?fref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARB5MaP7fzlN9ItgmSkMWzv60Rd9mIxsQIkIgIa6_Guh2MGR6mV82GdH-IxgmiiVaJcZ-NLi7Cz46VX0nn78clmPjd-pttzlYPR9dmEubTBnBdnGohd0bl3Fy4k02cb3BVHNVOcfjANvEEUCRw6k1IZDDsZV6l9V1Id5_NomySGWmEpA3Inygttyrt3-jYH1m1M50W3d94tVElUVaZ-SrM-WZ4BkYEj0ZYF5Y5X2d7KRG_MQJtND8fXyDSkU0F1I4FVHkI_eoiyOazUgCRS0lmfetiENOGsaJPb6MfuHzQ92-u7gMI_E8888fus)


                                Contact US

                                E-mail: demmarxont@gmail.com

                                Find out more, and if you like what you see, help us GROW!!

                                Author: Bob Armstrong – 20/10/1

                                Recent Reviser – Bob Armstrong – 20/10/17

                                Bob A
                                Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Friday, 15th January, 2021, 01:07 PM.

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