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"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
We've not taken a public position. There have been discussions among the executive.
.I have spoken with grandmaster Baryshpolets on Zoom. Nice young man.
I find the Fumey campaign platform a bit problematic with a $25000 US payment to all of the development level 4 and 5 members.With the loss of Russian sponsorships how much will our dues have to go up to pay for this? If the costs were to be borne equally by all of the developmental level 1, 2 and 3 countries the increased dues would be $22,260.87 CDN at current exchange rates. If only the development level 1 and 2 countries are to be tapped the increase in dues would be $32,000 CDN.This does not seem realistic.
I have been impressed with Mr. Dvorkovich and the quality of his core team.
Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Tuesday, 24th May, 2022, 03:25 AM.
I believe that in view of the current global situation involving Russia, and all things and people Russian, it would be unconscionable for Canada, and the CFC, to support any Russian for FIDE high office in the 2022 elections.
I believe the CFC Executive should consult, formally, with the federal government about this, and be prepared to make these discussions public, before the FIDE Congress is held in India.
I believe that in view of the current global situation involving Russia, and all things and people Russian, it would be unconscionable for Canada, and the CFC, to support any Russian for FIDE high office in the 2022 elections.
I believe the CFC Executive should consult, formally, with the federal government about this, and be prepared to make these discussions public, before the FIDE Congress is held in India.
Frank uses the word 'unconscionable' - which I don't disagree with. I think the odds are 50/50 that Dvorkovich will be under sanctions. Ilyumzhinov was/is under sanctions, and that did not go so well for FIDE.
I would, however, use the word 'immoral'. To vote for a guy that is very much responsible for what is happening in Ukraine today and was happening in 2014. CFC condemned the russian invasion, which is a very nice, if symbolic, step. Take another step, don't vote for a high ranked representative of said invasion, who will be using russian government funding for his campaign. The CFR already openly supports him.
There is a good candidate not associated with any past or current administrations, Baryshpolets, I suspect his team will be growing (VP Peter Nielsen) in the next days-weeks.
On May 27, FIDE Elections candidates Andrii Baryshpolets and Peter Heine Nielsen addressed the CFC Board to solicit an endorsement by the Chess Federation of Canada.
Now, GM Baryshpolets and GM Nielsen would like to reach out to all Canadian chess players hoping to get wider support. Please see the letter and three attachments below.
Від: Andrii Baryshpolets
Date: пт, 27 трав. 2022 р. о 10:27
Subject: FIDE President Elections 2022 Baryshpolets/Nielsen - Chess Federation of Canada
Dear Chess Federation of Canada,
By this letter, we would like to present our Presidential ticket (President – Andrii Baryshpolets, Deputy President – Peter Heine Nielsen) for your consideration and kindly solicit endorsement by your federation. Please find attached to this email:
Baryshpolets' resume
Nielsen's accomplishments
Baryshpolets' Presidential statement
Since the deadline for Presidential ticket application, June 7, is quickly approaching, we kindly ask your federation to inform us of your decision at your earliest convenience.
Please let us know if you would like to discuss our candidacy over a call or have any questions.
Even though I think that Dvorkovich actually did a decent job as FIDE president;him being a Russian and not just any Russian but in the Putin's inner circle makes it both 'unconscionable' and 'immoral' as was already written here. Additionally, it potentially puts us on the wrong side with the federal government. Furthermore, I don't think it is very good for FIDE to have him as president as no Western sponsor would be interested in sponsoring FIDE under these conditions. I am not sure if GM Baryshpolets is the best candidate, but I think we need to support whoever has the best chance of defeating Dvorkovich.
I believe that in view of the current global situation involving Russia, and all things and people Russian, it would be unconscionable for Canada, and the CFC, to support any Russian for FIDE high office in the 2022 elections.
I believe the CFC Executive should consult, formally, with the federal government about this, and be prepared to make these discussions public, before the FIDE Congress is held in India.
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
Unfortunately, the Russian people (as a whole) are not given access to real information. Clearly, the media is controlled by Pootin and his thugs. Those few people there who are able to circumvent any internet censorship or access non-Russian news will be aware of the situation but as we have seen, it might not be smart to even admit knowing the "truth" and certainly protesting the situation is not recommended either. It doesn't matter what the Russian people believe - they are not part of the decision making process.
Unfortunately, the Russian people (as a whole) are not given access to real information. Clearly, the media is controlled by Pootin and his thugs. Those few people there who are able to circumvent any internet censorship or access non-Russian news will be aware of the situation but as we have seen, it might not be smart to even admit knowing the "truth" and certainly protesting the situation is not recommended either. It doesn't matter what the Russian people believe - they are not part of the decision making process.
That doesn't feel right to me, Kerry. Keeping in mind that Medvedev was a puppet, Putin has been running the show for over 20 years. During those years there have been times when access to information was less restricted than it has been recently. My guess is that information about Putin's ruthlessness has been circulating back and forth across Russia for most of those two decades. Putin's authoritarian ways must be evident to the vast majority of Russians just in the details of their day to day lives. And yet the protest movement in Russia seems to be small. Paraphrasing some old adages: people get the leaders they deserve and those who stand by and watch share responsibility with the perpetrators. There is no way that the Russian people should be allowed to play the we-didn't-know card. Assuming Ukraine and the West don't cave in and that they see this thing through to a victory, Russia and its people should be and remain pariahs in the international community until they've paid the hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of dollars in reparations required to repair (to the extent possible) the damage they've caused. Russians in Canada under any arrangement other than an approved path to citizenship should be sent home.
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
That doesn't feel right to me, Kerry. Keeping in mind that Medvedev was a puppet, Putin has been running the show for over 20 years. During those years there have been times when access to information was less restricted than it has been recently. My guess is that information about Putin's ruthlessness has been circulating back and forth across Russia for most of those two decades. Putin's authoritarian ways must be evident to the vast majority of Russians just in the details of their day to day lives. And yet the protest movement in Russia seems to be small. Paraphrasing some old adages: people get the leaders they deserve and those who stand by and watch share responsibility with the perpetrators. There is no way that the Russian people should be allowed to play the we-didn't-know card. Assuming Ukraine and the West don't cave in and that they see this thing through to a victory, Russia and its people should be and remain pariahs in the international community until they've paid the hundreds of billions, if not trillions, of dollars in reparations required to repair (to the extent possible) the damage they've caused. Russians in Canada under any arrangement other than an approved path to citizenship should be sent home.
Would you have said the same about ordinary Americans when USA destroyed Iraq really badly and George Bush was re-elected after that?
Socialism/Capitalism leads to Communism/Fascism leads to Dictatorship.... a slippery slope... (Unlike in Sweden, governments elsewhiere are usually powerful and power corrupts the government to assume absolute power and become absolutely corrupted).... if the electorate is happy to yield to the government their personal freedom in return for free this and free that (as in Russia), or in return for an ability to generate wealth simply by having capital or status, as in pre-Revolution France, the slope becomes even more slippery....
USA and UK have been lucky (so far) in having the electorate equally split between two opposites...
Would you have said the same about ordinary Americans when USA destroyed Iraq really badly and George Bush was re-elected after that?
I did. Not here but to family and friends. The U.S. doesn't get a pass just because they're a friend and ally. And let's not forget Vietnam! However, there are some important differences between Russia in Ukraine and the U.S. in Iraq, e.g.:
1. I don't recall the U.S. deliberately targetting Iraqi civilians by bombing their homes, schools, hospitals, and churches. Atrocities against civilians seems to be Russia's m.o. in the Ukraine war.
2. I don't recall more than a small handful of reports about American soldiers being involved in civilian murder, rape, etc., during their time in Iraq. With Russian soldiers, civilian murder and rape seem to he part of their basic training.
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"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
"In conclusion, the [FIDE Electoral Commission] approved the following list of valid Presidential ticket
candidacies:
- Mr. Andrii Baryshpolets and Mr. Peter-Heine Nielsen;
- Mr. Inalbek Cheripov and Mr. Lewis Ncube;
- Mr. Arkady Dvorkovich and Mr. Anand Viswanathan;
- Mr. Bachar Kouatly and Mr. Ian Wilkinson."
Candidate for President Candidate for Deputy President
Name Andrii BaryshpoletsPeter-Heine Nielsen
Federation Ukraine Denmark
Current position GM; GM, FST;
Senior Associate, Coach of World Champion
PricewaterhouseCoopers Magnus Carlsen
Name Inalbek CheripovLewis Ncube
Federation Belgium Zambia
Current position Filmmaker Continental President
for Africa
Name Arkady DvorkovichAnand Viswanathan
Federation Russia India
Current position FIDE President GM; former World Champion;
Councillor / FIDE President's
Continental Assistant
Name Bachar KouatlyIan Wilkinson
Federation France Jamaica
Current position GM; FIDE Deputy President FIDE Honorary Vice-President
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