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Sid, if this evidence is proof, then Neimann is the stupidest cheater in history. How could anyone use the computer for the entire game and hope to get away with it? Is not the point to find a move here or there and play the rest of the moves with your own ability? Chess needs to delay all transmissions to prevent outside help, and then see how Niemann does when it is certain that he is on his own.
Brad, why are you saying "if", I posted the results that are part of the ChessBase database. You can run it yourself and it will show you the correlation. Would you like to argue that the sun does not rise in the east next?
By the way, we have no idea what type of technology he deployed or how it works. What we do know is that the correlation between his moves to the computers was statistically, for all practical purposes, impossible.
I suspect it could be a state-sponsored experiment with chip implants replete with CPUs and memory storage and even visual pattern recognition
capabilities.I am not at all convinced that transmitting and receiving is how this thing works.
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Sunday, 2nd October, 2022, 01:51 PM.
Sid, if this evidence is proof, then Neimann is the stupidest cheater in history. How could anyone use the computer for the entire game and hope to get away with it? Is not the point to find a move here or there and play the rest of the moves with your own ability? Chess needs to delay all transmissions to prevent outside help, and then see how Niemann does when it is certain that he is on his own.
Here is extremely incriminating evidence showing that Hans Neiman cheated. The analysis showed that for a period of over six entire tournaments, the correlation of Hans Neimans moves to a computer were over 75%, with multiple games at a 100% correlation. No GM has ever even had a single game with 100 percent correlation. When Bobby Fisher, at his peak, won twenty games in a row on his way to the World Chess Championship, his correlation was 72% and no 100% correlations.
Most games with top GMs will show an average correlation of 60%-65%..
The problem with Ken Rogan's analysis is he looked at all of Hans Neiman's games instead of this specific "magical period" of these recent tournaments. The probability of Hans Neimans not cheating and getting this result would be like getting a royal flush in poker several times in a row,
Has anyone addressed the point that we have this incredibly interesting scandal arising from a game that's boring as dirt?
If no one has addressed that point it's probably because chess is no different than almost every other human activity. There is a never ending flow of bad behaviour, scandals, and corruption. How about a world chess champ (Alekhine) collaborating with Nazi Germany, or a world champ (Botvinnik) eviscerating others with caustic criticisms behind their backs, or a world champ's (Fischer) decades of anti-Semitic raging, or a world champ (Kasparov) trying to make the world title his own possession, or 'toiletgate'? On a local level, how about a Canadian master walking into a tournament hall during play and shouting at his girl friend, "C*NT!!! LET'S GO." If the above examples are among the standards for outrageous behaviour in chess then Carlsen's attempt to stand up for the integrity of the game looks kind of mild in comparison.
I have been attacking Magnus and defending Niemann. But I will say that cheating is not acceptable, of course, and I do not understand why Niemann is allowed to play in online events given the fact that he has admitted to cheating online. Having thought about this a little more, I do not object to Magnus refusing to play Niemann online. Anyone can easily cheat online, however it is highly difficult to cheat over the board with the stringent protocols in place. The question is this- should an online cheater be barred from over the board play? Maybe. This does not change my opinion of the shoddy manner in which Magnus has handled this situation. At Saint Louis next week they should call in a doctor with one of those little lights and have him look deeply into Niemann's ears.
Uhhh.....perhaps you meant to say, a person Carlsen KNEW was a cheater? And by the cheater's own admission!! The only question: was he still cheating? And then earlier this month, Danny Rensch of Chess.com says, "We have shared detailed evidence with (Niemann) ... including information that contradicts his statements regarding the amount and seriousness of his cheating on Chess.com."
....... Carlsen said he was thinking of not playing in Saint Louis to begin with due to the participation of a peson he believed to be a cheater. .......
Uhhh.....perhaps you meant to say, a person Carlsen KNEW was a cheater? And by the cheater's own admission!! The only question: was he still cheating? And then earlier this month, Danny Rensch of Chess.com says, "We have shared detailed evidence with (Niemann) ... including information that contradicts his statements regarding the amount and seriousness of his cheating on Chess.com."
This is a terrible situation, and sadly one that is typical of the chess world. Carlsen said he was thinking of not playing in Saint Louis to begin with due to the participation of a peson he believed to be a cheater. In the end Carlsen decided to play anyway, and then LOST (or did he throw that game too?) to the person he suspected. What could Carlsen have done if he had crushed the alleged cheater in that game? Withdraw because he thought the person he crushed was cheating? Not likely. The only way to withdraw to make his (suspect) point would be to lose and then accuse. I submit that Carlsen threw the game in Saint Louis (and then later threw the online game as well which proves that he IS capable of such a thing). The only way to credibly raise all of this stinking mess would have been for Carlsen to lose and then withdraw, or at least lose and then accuse and then continue. None of this would be plausible if he had beaten the alleged cheater, and Carlsen has admitted to some premeditation about not playing.
People need to understand Fabi/Hikaru/etc. will not say certain things on interviews watched by thousands of people on YouTube, due to liability.
You'd think so, but Hikaru pretty openly accused him of cheating in the game, cheating to get his rating, "cheating" with his post-game analysis, and "cheating" on his accent.
The only thing he didn't come out and accuse him of was cheating online. He just gave us the "that's all I'm going to say". We should be so lucky,
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