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  • #16
    Re: New CFC membership fees:

    Well you know what happened when they moved the rating fee from $2 to $3. Ratings income stayed virtually the same. So all they did was alienate a bunch of players. Of course membership fees increased $3 at the same time.
    Christopher Mallon
    FIDE Arbiter

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    • #17
      Re: New CFC membership fees:

      Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
      Judging from the amount they pay for entry to the CYCC it shouldn't be a problem. What with high entry fees, high coaching fees and the esteem of a high rating, the extra money shouldn't even slow things down.
      There is an alternative for the junior rating - CMA ( http://www.chesstalk.com/elo/pub )

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      • #18
        Re: New CFC membership fees:

        Aris, it is maybe a personal question:
        Have you been contacted by (or have you contacted ) David Lavin?

        (GL#9 "I think its important to ask local organizers what they need from the CFC, not what the CFC needs from them.")

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        • #19
          Re: New CFC membership fees:

          Originally posted by Egidijus Zeromskis View Post
          There is an alternative for the junior rating - CMA
          That's nice and has a good purpose. Still, it appears to me the parents want national ratings, FIDE ratings and world championships and titles. To run up 50 dollars in rating fees a person has to play in 10 events. How much is an hour with a coach these days?
          Gary Ruben
          CC - IA and SIM

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          • #20
            Re: New CFC membership fees:

            Originally posted by Christopher Mallon View Post
            ... I don't understand why rules get broken at every single AGM?

            What's this ******** about eliminating provincial portions of fees, without speaking to the provinces about it first?!

            Finally, am I reading this correct that even junior events are now $5 per player!? If so, the CFC has just taken a gun and shot themselves. All that remains to be seen is where the bullet hit and how bad the damage is.
            And Chris Mallon is the new Treasurer!

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            • #21
              Re: New CFC membership fees:

              Funny how that works, isn't it.
              Christopher Mallon
              FIDE Arbiter

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              • #22
                Re: New CFC membership fees:

                Originally posted by Christopher Mallon View Post
                Funny how that works, isn't it.
                You won't have big numbers to confuse you. :)
                Gary Ruben
                CC - IA and SIM

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                • #23
                  Junior chess tournaments.

                  Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                  Judging from the amount they pay for entry to the CYCC it shouldn't be a problem. What with high entry fees, high coaching fees and the esteem of a high rating, the extra money shouldn't even slow things down.
                  There are 100-150 per year going to CYCC, if you count out the provincial champions who's EF's are payed by the Provincial Federation, you are left with 50-60 kids paying the entry.

                  I expect that junior tournaments to drop 75-90%.
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                  Last edited by Andrei Botez; Monday, 9th May, 2011, 08:06 AM.

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                  • #24
                    Re: New CFC membership fees:

                    The motion seems to be in order by my reading of the Handbook. That doesn't mean its advisable or that it can't be reconsidered or rescinded. The removal of provincial revenue in tournament fees is questionable to say the least. Anyone who voted in favour of the new fees, including by proxy, can move reconsideration in the next GL.

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                    • #25
                      Re: New CFC membership fees:

                      It most certainly was NOT in order.

                      This is from By-Law Three:
                      3. Any amendment or revision of these By-Laws; any matter pertaining to any international agreement between the Federation and any international or foreign Chess Federation or Association; and any matter pertaining to the payment of dues to the Fédération International des Echecs may be made,
                      (a) at any Annual Meeting of the Assembly, providing that a notice of intention to submit such matter to a vote has been received by the Secretary at least 30 days prior to the date of such Annual Meeting and has been transmitted by the Secretary to each Governor at least 14 days prior to the date of such Annual Meeting and that any resolution pertaining to such matter shall be approved by at least a two-thirds majority of the votes of those present and entitled to vote, including proxy votes.



                      Where's my 14 days notice? Did you get yours?


                      Also, from a little later:

                      1. Either of two methods of collecting fees may be used:
                      a) Both Provincial and CFC fees are sent directly to the CFC Business Office. Every three months the CFC Executive Director will remit fees due to the Provincial Associations, together with the names of members whose fees have been collected. ...



                      Like many things in the handbook it's ambiguous however nowhere does it state that the CFC has the right to change/modify provincial fees, it merely states that the CFC is required to collect such fees on behalf of the provinces.
                      Christopher Mallon
                      FIDE Arbiter

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                      • #26
                        Re: New CFC membership fees:

                        The changing of fees is not among those things you quote, Chris as much as I wish it was. Repread what you have quoted.

                        ETA; the fees are not set out in the Bylaws.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Junior chess tournaments.

                          Originally posted by Andrei Botez View Post
                          There are 100-150 per year going to CYCC, if you count out the provincial champions who's EF's are payed by the Provincial Federation, you are left with 50-60 kids paying the entry.

                          I expect that junior tournaments to drop 75-90%.
                          The fee for that tournament is already high. Isn't the entry fee set by the CFC? I suspect the increase in rating fee will come from the entry fee.

                          The Americans charge tax on prize winning the way I understand it. They charge taxes on casino winnings. That doesn't seem to deter people.
                          Gary Ruben
                          CC - IA and SIM

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                          • #28
                            Re: New CFC membership fees:

                            It says the CFC will collect provincial membership fees (option b after what I quoted describes how the province collects feels and sends only the CFC portion on to the office).

                            Therefore if the province says we charge a fee on this type of membership, the CFC has to collect it.
                            Christopher Mallon
                            FIDE Arbiter

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                            • #29
                              Re: New CFC membership fees:

                              That's what Les Bunning has posted on the other Chesstalk. So I agree, goodbye juniors-only events. At first glance this looks very short-sighted.

                              Steve

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                              • #30
                                Re: New CFC membership fees:

                                Don't expect it to be implemented as adopted.

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