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Thanks Vlad for digging up that paper. I had a quick read thru it, and I come away with a different interpretation.:)
Did you read the whole study? You might want to do that because I think you will discover it doesn't prove what you think it does!:o
Anyway, I have to run. I will comment later after giving it a more thorough read. :D
Okay, it is later. I read it thru carefully.
Vlad, the participants were assigned to the green vs. conventional store groups at random. The expermients were to test their reactions after being just exposed to green products vs. actually buying green products. It is an interesting experiment, but results are far from compelling. Nevertheless, the study is not comparing Greens vs. non Greens, so it does not support your claim that Greens are liars and cheaters. The experiment is testing a totally different hypothesis.
Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Saturday, 20th March, 2010, 09:46 PM.
Does this make me an environmentalist or a snake oil purchaser? :)
Just an investor, Gary. :)
Afterall, you don't believe all this climate change stuff, do you?;)
Speaking of investments, did you short the us dollar? I see we are approaching parity. The us dollar falling eh......hmmm....Didn't somebody on chesstalk predict as such last October? :D:D
Just an investor, Gary. :)
Afterall, you don't believe all this climate change stuff, do you?;)
Speaking of investments, did you short the us dollar? I see we are approaching parity. The us dollar falling eh......hmmm....Didn't somebody on chesstalk predict as such last October? :D:D
Bob, off topic, but with the U.S. dollar approaching parity to the loonie, are you and anyone else (Vince, Dave, etc.) possibly considering a trip to this years World Open?
Case in point: the plan to place wind turbines off shore in the Great Lakes and in residential/agricultural areas. Are these projects really environmentally friendly?
Vlad, can you elaborate on this? I keep hearing about negative attitudes towards wind turbines, but so far I havent' seen anything specific other than that they "ugly" the landscape. I hadn't heard about wind turbines in the Great Lakes, what exactly would be the negative environmental aspects to that?
And can anybody answer this: why aren't wind turbines combined with solar panels? So that when the wind isn't blowing, maybe the sun is shining and there's some energy being generated that way. I remember driving through Wyoming a few years ago and seeing endless rows of wind turbines on either side of the interstate up in the rolling hills, and not a solar panel in sight. And I think Wyoming gets a LOT of sun.
I know Paul Beckwith won't answer this question because he never has answered a single question I've asked him. There's at least a half dozen outstanding climate change questions I've asked him that he just ignores. Which leads me to believe he cherry picks who he'll bother responding to, which further leads me to believe he probably cherry picks research and data as well. Maybe I need to start attacking his positions like Vlad, and I'll get something that way.
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Just an investor, Gary. :)
Afterall, you don't believe all this climate change stuff, do you?;)
Speaking of investments, did you short the us dollar? I see we are approaching parity. The us dollar falling eh......hmmm....Didn't somebody on chesstalk predict as such last October? :D:D
No, I don't believe in climate change or that the world will end tomorrow.
The U.S. dollar may be falling against the Canadian dollar but I don't think it's falling against currencies such as the Euro. I do recall someone predicting a falling U.S. dollar but think he was talking generally against all world currencies because of all the money they are printing. I've forgotten the particulars of what he predicted. In any case, I've never shorted the American dollar.
I think it's easy to short the American dollar against the Canadian. It's HDD on the TSX. A double short ETF. Shorting the Canadian dollar is HDU. Anyhow, I don't do currencies so anyone considering it would have to look into it themselves.
Vlad, can you elaborate on this? I keep hearing about negative attitudes towards wind turbines, but so far I havent' seen anything specific other than that they "ugly" the landscape. I hadn't heard about wind turbines in the Great Lakes, what exactly would be the negative environmental aspects to that?
And can anybody answer this: why aren't wind turbines combined with solar panels?
I only know what I have been seeing and reading in the local papers and usually on the CBC Windsor page. I know that they had to shelve one project locally when it turned out that they were planning to build this wind farm in the flight path of a small local private airport which would have had to close as a result. Somehow the fact that the airport was there escaped the planners.
The negative attitudes are due to the noise pollution effects, the issue of bird kills and disruption of habitat.
Solar power seems to me to be way less intrusive and clean. The only drawback is that the economies of scale seem to stifled by government involvement in this. Twenty years ago one of the major business magazines (Fortune probably) was reporting that solar was an economical alternative in a world with a $20 to $30 a barrel oil price. With today's prices you would think that there would be solar panels on every roof.
Larry Hagman of I Dream of Jeannie and Dallas fame has a mansion on the California ocean front which is totally green (carbon neutral) due to solar panels and relatively small wind turbines. He actually makes money selling power back to the local utilities and unlike Al Gore he is actually doing something for the environment rather than just talking and lying about it.
I don't see any problem with such smaller turbines which don't disrupt the neighbors' sleep patterns like the huge ones that they are proposing. The problem is that these are really a drop in the bucket and inefficient. We need to build some nuclear reactors despite the alternative problems that gives rise to.
So that when the wind isn't blowing, maybe the sun is shining and there's some energy being generated that way. I remember driving through Wyoming a few years ago and seeing endless rows of wind turbines on either side of the interstate up in the rolling hills, and not a solar panel in sight. And I think Wyoming gets a LOT of sun.
I know Paul Beckwith won't answer this question because he never has answered a single question I've asked him. There's at least a half dozen outstanding climate change questions I've asked him that he just ignores. Which leads me to believe he cherry picks who he'll bother responding to, which further leads me to believe he probably cherry picks research and data as well. Maybe I need to start attacking his positions like Vlad, and I'll get something that way.
One dissenting opinion is enough to short-circuit groupthink. That is the main reason why I respond. Lately, there have been more opposing opinions so I don't need to respond as much. Much of the climate "science" is just nonsense and I knew this long before the emails confirmed what I already knew which is that they were lying, hiding data and just making stuff up. Carbon credits were a done deal before the climategate scandal emails story broke. It is not going to happen in North America now. As far as I am concerned the world is unfolding as it should.
I would like to know why the Sierra Club is in effect trying to increase cancer deaths in Windsor which has one of the highest cancer rates already in Canada already. How are they doing that? They are doing that by trying to prevent the new border crossing which will end the several miles long queue of pollution belching trucks lined up for customs at the current bridge and move them to a new facility with more lanes and more customs agents thus reducing waiting and the pollution in highly populated areas.
Solar power seems to me to be way less intrusive and clean. The only drawback is that the economies of scale seem to stifled by government involvement in this. Twenty years ago one of the major business magazines (Fortune probably) was reporting that solar was an economical alternative in a world with a $20 to $30 a barrel oil price. With today's prices you would think that there would be solar panels on every roof.
I thought the main problem with solar power is for best result you need a very high grade silicon. Even then, the efficiencies are probably less than 50%.
Probably you know this stuff better than I do because I've always discounted solar power due to what I mentioned and the high cost per KWH in relation to other generating methods.
The garbage dump in Pickering used to have a power station and probably still does. I haven't been there in some 15 years so don't know the status. Pipes go right into the garbage piles and capture the gas from the rotting garbage. They make/made electricity and sell it to the grid. The backup for that is natural gas. If they aren't getting enough from the garbage stacks they supplement it with natural gas.
Some waste treatment plants also make their own gas to burn. One guy at a plant once told me it has a higher BTU count a Monday due to alcohol consumption on the weekend. I don't know if he was joking or not. They also use natural gas as well.
For natural gas they use a calorimeter to measure the BTU's. I remember calibrating the calorimeter around 1970. It was a slow process.
I do not intentionally ignore your questions; I don't read every post and probably missed some. How about cutting and pasting them all in one post and I can answer them all.
I am working on a GIS mapping/modelling project to find out how much solar PV potential there is in the Glebe area of Ottawa. My preliminary results show that with present electrical consumption levels about 1/3 of the electricity could be provided on a yearly basis by solar PV on rooftops alone. With energy efficiency gains (typical to that which I have achieved on my own house) this could be increased to 100%. My database contains about 170,000 rooftop footprints in the City of Ottawa, so I am working on extrapolating my numbers to all of Ottawa.
Have a look at my latest climate change taping from Friday Mar 19th at Sierra Club of Canada (just google it), it probably answers some of your climate change questions.
My preliminary results show that with present electrical consumption levels about 1/3 of the electricity could be provided on a yearly basis by solar PV on rooftops alone.
Counting the initial outlay and projected maintainance and other fees, how much per KWH would a person pay for the electricity?
I pay 6 or 6.5 cents per KWH and wonder how it stacks up. What's the initial setup cost (roughly).
I do not intentionally ignore your questions; I don't read every post and probably missed some. How about cutting and pasting them all in one post and I can answer them all.
I am working on a GIS mapping/modelling project to find out how much solar PV potential there is in the Glebe area of Ottawa. My preliminary results show that with present electrical consumption levels about 1/3 of the electricity could be provided on a yearly basis by solar PV on rooftops alone. With energy efficiency gains (typical to that which I have achieved on my own house) this could be increased to 100%. My database contains about 170,000 rooftop footprints in the City of Ottawa, so I am working on extrapolating my numbers to all of Ottawa.
Have a look at my latest climate change taping from Friday Mar 19th at Sierra Club of Canada (just google it), it probably answers some of your climate change questions.
Paul
Sorry, Paul, for accusing you falsely of ignoring my questions.
The main question I'd like someone with some real technical knowledge to answer (and I figure you most likely to have this knowledge) is:
If climate change came to the point where we needed to solve it NO MATTER THE COST, i.e. throw billions of dollars at it, would it be feasible to have floating ocean platforms that (1) have thick rainforest growth to absorb CO2 and release oxygen, and (2) protruding above the rainforest have both wind turbines and solar panels generating power transmitted by connecting cables to mainland stations,
would this outperform the ocean algae at absorbing CO2? And would having the rainforest absorb it instead of the ocean be good for the ocean's acidity levels?
The main question is about the rainforest versus the ocean algea per square whatever. The wind turbines and solar panels would be an extra bonus, since wind on the ocean is pretty much constant.
Do you personally think this is a feasable undertaking? It seems from projections that this is the kind of mammoth project needed.
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
Yes Gary, the climate change denial forces have been very successful in swaying public opinion in recent months. :(
At a recent family get together, my own brother was telling me about how global warming has now been exposed as a big hoax. He was quite happy that he didn't need to worry about this anymore. :) He further explained why and recited one of the many climate change denial myths.:D
Meanwhile, the evidence in support of global warming continues!
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