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And about the Texas case, I'm interested in how the court will rule.
This round is in a Federal Appeal Court. While I'm not sure how the U.S. system works, this sounds like it could end up in the U.S. Supreme Court and could take years unless it's fast tracked.
It will be interesting to see if other states join in the opposition.
More clear evidence on a changing climate. The hydrological cycle has increased by 18% from 1994-2006. Basically, there is more evaporation and more rainfall, which is exactly what is predicted by climate change models.
More clear evidence on a changing climate. The hydrological cycle has increased by 18% from 1994-2006. Basically, there is more evaporation and more rainfall, which is exactly what is predicted by climate change models.
On the other hand, statistics don't seem to be standing up to the light of day.
I have a large number of shares in Catalyst Paper. It was trading at 10 cents a share and I could never resist such an option on a recovery. I always have several and the ones which succeed more than make up for the ones which go under. In any case, I had a whack of it earlier in the year and did really well before I sold it all. Now I've gone back to the well, as the saying goes.
Whether you follow the science or not; if you get on the email list of climateprogress you get an update every few days; well worth it; better than going to a horror movie...
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Kasparov's google interview has an interesting analysis of risk, in which he states that society is risk averse. I agree totally on the everyday risks of sports, riding bikes, etc.
However it is very ironic that society is simply not willing to address or take any steps to minimize the risk of catastrophic abrupt climate change...
Kasparov's google interview has an interesting analysis of risk, in which he states that society is risk averse. I agree totally on the everyday risks of sports, riding bikes, etc.
However it is very ironic that society is simply not willing to address or take any steps to minimize the risk of catastrophic abrupt climate change...
Of course people take steps to minimize risks. They buy life insurance.
Anyhow, in view of what I've been reading in recent weeks, I thought this thread had been put to rest.
Anyhow, in view of what I've been reading in recent weeks, I thought this thread had been put to rest.
There was an article in the Windsor Star a few days ago stating that warming has slowed down in part because of huge increases in pollution from China and India which have resulted in more reflection out into space of the sun's rays off the smog. So the solution to global warming is.... more pollution. I think I prefer the warming.
Kasparov's google interview has an interesting analysis of risk, in which he states that society is risk averse. I agree totally on the everyday risks of sports, riding bikes, etc.
However it is very ironic that society is simply not willing to address or take any steps to minimize the risk of catastrophic abrupt climate change...
Simple: it's because to take those steps means taking the risk of catastrophic, abrupt ECONOMIC RUIN.
Come on, Paul, don't you know physics? Shouldn't you understand about momentum and inertia?
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
It will be interesting to see if the Eurozone nations continue with their green subsidies as their economies continue to crumble. California is big on green and their state is having problems. Issuing IOU's. I seem to recall they can be exchanged for money owed to the state.
I have some shares in Allied Irish Banks. Not many but a few. They trade as ADR's in New York. Each ADR represents 2 shares, I think. I've been told those shares are virtually worthless. My reply is always that there is a significant difference between "virtually worthless" and "worthless". That is, or was, quite a big bank in Ireland from what I understand.
Au contraire, I think that retooling our economy to get off the fossil fuel dependence will create loads of jobs and prosperity. Not economic ruin but an economic resurgence. Once again the West will become stronger; not a slave to Middle East oil or Chinese products.
Vlad, our economy is built on the false promise of unlimited fossil fuels. I think that you are comfortable with the status quo and fear the economic resurgence that would result from retooling to a green economy. You worry too much; hopefully reality will reassert itself for you soon.
Gary, I love your attempted rebuttals. Standing behind me is a vast scientific establishment of peer reviewed papers and logic.
Propping you up is a vast right wing conspiracy that wants the West to stay dependent on fossil fuels, and remain slaves to the Middle East masters and Chinese producers...
So, to all those who don't want to go green and want to stay dependent on fossil fuels, "What are we going to do when we run out of fossil fuels?" They are a limited resource, there is nothing wrong with slowly decreasing our dependency on it, even if you don't accept Global Warming. The economic disaster that will be caused when we run out could be stopped or at least lessened by taking important actions now.
Gary, I love your attempted rebuttals. Standing behind me is a vast scientific establishment of peer reviewed papers and logic.
Propping you up is a vast right wing conspiracy that wants the West to stay dependent on fossil fuels, and remain slaves to the Middle East masters and Chinese producers...
Paul, you sound a wee bit testy. Once you label science reports right wing or left wing as a defence of your position, it goes from the scientific to the political arena.
I have no doubt that behind you stands a "vast scientific establishment of peer reviewed papers and logic". What we are debating here is the foundation upon which your establishment is built and the accuracy and veracity of the scientists.
Actually, Canada and our tar sands will be a major supplier of oil for the "west", which I take translates to you meaning the U.S.. Regarding China, I don't see your logic. You don't have to buy their product if you don't want. Good Luck finding product made here. Many manufacturers have closed down due to the oppressive emission controls and cost and taxes to support the left wing agenda.
In case you haven't noticed, excesses in the U.S. and the Eurozone have almost busted many of those nations. I don't know what shape we are in because it's hard to get a handle on the entire debt and deficit. I do think we need a change of government here in Ontario. The liberals don't appear to me to be showing much respect for our tax dollar. The liberals have followed each of their previous two majority government by a tax raise. I'd expect a switch to the Conservatives next election to see if the trend can be stopped or reversed.
By the way, you might want to start a new thread for all this. It takes too long for this to load and it's hard to follow.
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