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Hi Guys I have been looking at this position in the French and I would appreciate feedback: e4..e6..d4..d5..e5..c5..f4..Nc6..c3..Qb6..Nf3..Nh6..Bd3..Bd7..O-O I am looking at castle here which sacs a pawn..
8.0-0 seems dubious to me. I checked it against Megabase 2010 and did a brief analysis with Rybkka3.
Sam - ? [C02]
Chesstalk Question, 24.05.2010
[Yip]
1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.f4 Nc6 5.c3 Qb6 6.Nf3 Nh6 7.Bd3 Bd7 8.0–0?! Is a bit optimistic. White just gives up a pawn to get a bad position.[Yip] 8...cxd4 9.Kh1
[9.cxd4 Taking the pawn plays into black's hands.[Yip] 9...Nxd4 10.Be3 (10.Nxd4? Qxd4+ 11.Kh1 Ng4! 12.Qe2 (12.Qxg4 Qxd3 13.Rd1 Qc2 14.Nc3 h5 15.Qf3 h4 16.h3 Rc8µ White is down a pawn, and is under severe pressure.[Yip]) 12...h5 13.h3 Bc5 14.Bb5 a6 15.Bxd7+ Kxd7 16.Nc3 Rac8 17.Bd2 Nf2+ 18.Kh2 Nd3 19.Nd1 Nxb2 20.Bc3 Qc4 21.Qxb2 Qxf1 22.Bd2 Bg1+ 0–1 Santilli,E (1892)-Basciu,S (2176)/Cagliari 2006/EXT 2007) 10...Nxf3+ 11.Qxf3 d4! 12.Bc1 (12.Bf2? Qxb2–+) 12...Bc6 13.Qh3 Nf5µ 14.Bxf5?! exf5 15.Qxf5 Bc5µ]
9...Rc8 Not the only strong move.[Yip]
[9...Ng4 10.cxd4 Nxd4 11.Nc3 Nxf3 12.Qxf3 h5!µ White has nothing to show for the pawn.[Yip]; 9...dxc3! 10.Nxc3 Ng4 11.Qe2 Be7 12.h3 h5! Emphasizes the poor position of white's king.[Yip]]
Hi Guys I have been looking at this position in the French and I would appreciate feedback: [after 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.f4 Nc6 5.c3 Qb6 6.Nf3 Nh6 7.Bd3 Bd7 8.O-O] I am looking at castle here which sacs a pawn..
Sam
Michael's post in response to your question seems like a definitive answer. After 6...Nh6 7.Bd3 Bd7 8.0-0 cxd4 I was going to include the same (or similar) variations involving ...Ng4 that Michael has included.
If Michael's answer doesn't convince somehow, there is another possible problem with your line, Sam.
Instead of 6...Nh6, Minev in The French Defence: New and Forgotton Ideas (2nd edition) prefers 6...Bd7. He gives:
1) 6...Nh6 7.b3
(apparently Minev seems to consider this better than your 7.Bd3, which he doesn't give - Pacey)
7...cxd4 8.cxd4 Bb4+ 9.Kf2 Nf5
(here Watson analyses 9...Ng4+! leading to a big advantage for Black - Pacey)
10.Bb2 h5 (Konen-Haberditz, 1940 [-/+ Zlotnik])
11.Nc3!? with the idea 11...Bd7 (11...Ncxd4?? 12.Na4) 12.Na4 Qd8 13.a3 Be7 14.b4 unclear.
2) 6...Bd7
(! Minev; = Watson)
7.a3
(7.Bd3 would seem clearly bad here, as White won't be able to castle after Black accepts the d-pawn - Pacey)
7...Nh6 8.b4 cxd4 9.cxd4 Rc8 10.Bb2 Nf5 11.Qd3?
(The decisive mistake in a difficult position. Better defensive chances are offered by 11.Kf2 Minev)
While the idea of a quick f2-f4 in the Advance French strikes me as extravagent, sacrificing development and solidity while Black is attacking d4 (without considering all the concrete variations), you needn't give up on the idea of avoiding the main lines of the French with a Milner-Barry style Gambit. In fact why not reconsider the Milner-Barry Gambit itself, particularly if you don't face the French much and don't want to learn much theory?
After 4.c3
(instead of 4.f4?!)
4...Nc6 5.Nf3 Qb6
(or...Bd7 first, which should transpose after Bd3)
6.Bd3 cxd4 7.cxd4 Bd7
you've reached the point of the Milner-Barry at which you can gambit a pawn by 8.0-0 and after 8...Nxd4 9.Nxd4
(9.Nbd2!? may not be so bad in spite of Watson dismissing it, along with the Milner-Barry as a whole)
9...Qxd4 White's best chance might actually be 10.Re1 (rather than 10.Nc3, which gives Black the extra possibility of 10...Qxe5) and now after 10...Ne7
(10...a6 11.Nc3 isn't a clear improvement for Black)
11.Nc3 a6 White can try 12.Qe2 (or 12.Ne2, as ECO gives), rather than falling into Watson's coverage of only 12.Be3 (or 12.Qf3 first).
Last edited by Kevin Pacey; Sunday, 23rd May, 2010, 09:10 PM.
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
to produce the position diagrammed in my previous post, if I haven't made any errors (NOTE: I have substituted "{" for "[" and "}" for "]" to avoid actually printing a diagram).
The position is given rank by rank, starting from Black's back rank and ending at White's back rank, the info for each rank seperated by "/". In case a rank is empty, put "8" (stands for rank being all empty squares). Likewise numbers other than 8 stand for empty squares on a rank, between, before or after pieces. Black pieces are lower case, White pieces are UPPER CASE. Use Preview Post to test if you've made a mistake in making your diagram(s). For example if the pieces appear wildly distributed you might have left out a square on a rank.
Last edited by Kevin Pacey; Monday, 24th May, 2010, 10:52 AM.
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
I used chessbase to insert a diagram into a game's annotations then
1)exported output to textfile
2)chose HTML format
then generated an HTNL file and a little JPEG image file which is on my desktop
I have tried to 'insert image' when composing a post to get the little image into a post but get asked for a URL. I have tried to copy paste this into the required URL but no diagram appears
C:\Users\asus\Desktop\ChesstalkQ.htm
Need some assistance for the next step in the diagram breakthrough
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