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  • #61
    Re: Possible future CFC goal: foster mega-clubs

    Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
    One of the beauties of chess is that it completely cuts across generation differences. If we could just get it to cut across gender differences; then its popularity would explode. Who wants to spend a whole weekend (in a tournament) in the company of males. Perhaps that could be a marketing line to increase the appeal for females...
    Miss Yuan is taking what might be regarded the best first step by having founded a chess club just for girls (see her thread on chesstalk elsewhere). More such girls clubs could follow, and if eventually chess becomes nearly as popular with girls as with boys than the possible need for girls only clubs might gradually disappear.

    At a young age some girls might be hesitant to beat the boys (or a brother) at a game/sport like chess. One young brother-sister pair who were at the RA club for a brief period happened to play each other in a tournament game beside mine. The brother appeared to be nervous the whole game. Towards the end of the game the sister was winning quite handily. Suddenly she told her brother that the position was a stalemate, when it seemed quite plain that it was not. Then the two packed up the pieces, recorded the draw, and went home. I can't recall if I saw them much after that.

    One game where there is no problem getting the ladies to participate is Bridge, of course. There is no question of methodically hunting down the other fellows' poor King, after optionally wreaking havoc on his position. Instead there are just 13 tricks to play in a hand, and then it's on to the next round. In between rounds the players can socialize, in a time sooner than for what it takes for a round to finish in a slow time control chess tournament.

    There is the partnership aspect of the Bridge too. If there were more double-chess events then maybe more ladies might participate at least in those - or dare I say, perhaps double-chess ought to become the new standard, replacing ordinary chess for the most part!? Another approach would be to have more chess team events.

    Another possible factor that may deter the ladies from joining the chess-playing ranks in greater numbers is the geek factor often associated with chess. However most male chessplayers do at least seem to have a well-developed sense of humour, rather like soldiers apparently have (you need it, in order to endure the sometimes grisly defeats that fate has in store). At the least this factor might be played upon to attract more ladies to chess, if there is more advertising of the game and brief anecdotes of (typical?) humour could possibly be highlighted.
    Last edited by Kevin Pacey; Monday, 21st June, 2010, 10:17 PM.
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    • #62
      Re: Possible future CFC goal: foster mega-clubs

      Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
      One of the beauties of chess is that it completely cuts across generation differences. If we could just get it to cut across gender differences; then its popularity would explode. Who wants to spend a whole weekend (in a tournament) in the company of males. Perhaps that could be a marketing line to increase the appeal for females...
      Comments like this are exactly the reason more females don't play chess. The marketing line to females should not be "goody goody you get to spend a weekend with 30 guys!"; such a "line" only reinforces stereotypes. It should be "chess is great and you can probably do well at it".

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      • #63
        Re: Possible future CFC goal: foster mega-clubs

        Originally posted by David Ottosen View Post
        Comments like this are exactly the reason more females don't play chess. The marketing line to females should not be "goody goody you get to spend a weekend with 30 guys!"; such a "line" only reinforces stereotypes. It should be "chess is great and you can probably do well at it".
        On occasions I've asked a woman why she doesn't try to take up chess seriously, the answer has been that she's not very good at.

        Regarding spending time with a large number of the opposite gender, you may be right about stereotypes. There may be a double standard though. One guy I knew told me he took typing in high school to be in an otherwise all girls class.

        Also, while quickly skimming past the celeb gossip pages in a free local rag one day, I happened to notice that one female celeb had noted that her mother didn't approve of the character 'Smurfette' in the old comic strip about the Smurfs, because she was the only female in the village. I thought that was strangely prudish :).
        Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
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        • #64
          Re: Possible future CFC goal: foster mega-clubs

          Originally posted by Kevin Pacey View Post
          There may be a double standard though. One guy I knew told me he took typing in high school to be in an otherwise all girls class.
          Myself and another guy did that. He was smarter than I was. He dated the girls. I competed with them. It was a fun year.
          Gary Ruben
          CC - IA and SIM

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          • #65
            Re: Possible future CFC goal: foster mega-clubs

            Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
            Myself and another guy did that. He was smarter than I was. He dated the girls. I competed with them. It was a fun year.
            Personally I think that (at least prior to our revealing it on chesstalk) any guy who thought of doing that on his own in high school should have been singled out as a promising student, if not a candidate for MENSA. At the very least it demonstrates practical real world thinking ability :).
            Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
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            • #66
              Re: Possible future CFC goal: foster mega-clubs

              Good chess promotional video to get the ladies interested in the game...

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s42fMC4rEdI

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              • #67
                Re: Possible future CFC goal: foster mega-clubs

                Another good video promoting girls in chess. The CFC is missing 50% of the market by not promoting to women...

                http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L32GI...eature=related

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                • #68
                  Re: Possible future CFC goal: foster mega-clubs

                  Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                  Good chess promotional video to get the ladies interested in the game...

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s42fMC4rEdI
                  Someone left me this on another message board. I don't understand the talking part but the video is pretty good.

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5io8...layer_embedded
                  Gary Ruben
                  CC - IA and SIM

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                  • #69
                    Re: Possible future CFC goal: foster mega-clubs

                    More promotional ideas for chess...
                    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle745625.ece

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                    • #70
                      Re: Possible future CFC goal: foster mega-clubs

                      Originally posted by David Ottosen View Post
                      Comments like this are exactly the reason more females don't play chess. The marketing line to females should not be "goody goody you get to spend a weekend with 30 guys!"; such a "line" only reinforces stereotypes. It should be "chess is great and you can probably do well at it".
                      Women are pretty competitive so I don't know if that would be a reason.

                      I wasn't going to tell this but last week my wife and I went to the mall. I pulled into an aisle behind a van. The van stopped ahead of a parking spot and I pulled my car into the handicapped spot. I got out and the driver was tooting her horn and waving her hands. So I stood and waited while she parked. She parked two cars over. There was one car between mine and her van. She wanted the spot I took.

                      She got out of the van and her kids piled out as well. No appearant reason they should need the handicapped spot. She looked 30 at the most. Then she came over and started giving me a peice of her mind. I told her I couldn't hear her so up went her volume. Then I told her I had left my hearing aid at home and still couldn't hear her. (I don't have hearing problems. I was curious about her lung capacity. :)) So we're standing there with her hollering and me listening. I asked a couple of questions. Kind of for clarification. I didn't argue with her or say anything derogatory.

                      I'd hate to think what would happen if she missed a spot in a revolving door.
                      Gary Ruben
                      CC - IA and SIM

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                      • #71
                        Re: Possible future CFC goal: foster mega-clubs

                        We need more players like this in the CFC...
                        http://www.chesspics.com/rating.php?r=1

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                        • #72
                          Re: Possible future CFC goal: foster mega-clubs

                          Performance of woman versus men in chess explained mostly by participation levels...

                          http://scienceblogs.com/purepedantry...ffere.php#more

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                          • #73
                            Scarborough CC Experience

                            Scarborough CC used to have a blitz tournament on the weekend, and regular speed tournaments on Tuesdays and Thursdays. The blitz and Tuesday evenings died.

                            Since we have been meeting only on Thursday nights, we have run only CFC rated tournaments ( now Game/90 ). All members play in the swisses, and are CFC members. We had no space for a long time for blitz alongside the slow tournament, and now we don't attract any casual players at all - a few do come out to watch, and help players do the post-mortems. With this system we recovered from having 14 players out to a swiss, to now being over 100 members.

                            Bob

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                            • #74
                              Re: Possible future CFC goal: foster mega-clubs

                              Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                              We need more players like this in the CFC...
                              http://www.chesspics.com/rating.php?r=1
                              I see that Dinara Khaziyeva is among that group and is attributed to Canada...
                              ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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                              • #75
                                Re: Possible future CFC goal: foster mega-clubs

                                Originally posted by Jonathan Berry View Post
                                Of course, France is unique.... The role of club in France seems to be analogous to the role of provincial association in Canada. More or less. We always complain that Canada is too big for chess. Maybe the real problem is that it is too small.
                                ...
                                It seems to me that the larger chess clubs in Canada (Scarboro, RA Ottawa, Calgary, Edmonton for starters) have at least one night per week of tournament play. That's slow chess, one game per night, the results get recorded, maybe even rated. And on that night, one way or another, Blitz chess gets pushed to the side or pushed right out. "To get there from here" might mean opening a club for a second night during the week.
                                I should point out another another thing I have been informed of about European chess clubs. They belong to larger European sports clubs. Sort of like the case at the RA in Ottawa (where the chess club is but one of many activities in the building).

                                European sports clubs are the entities that fund chess events like the Bundesliga, and thus chess events can be so well funded as a result that top chess pros can participate on Bundesliga teams. Evidently Canada has a long way to go before all its clubs can be organized to European standards.
                                Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
                                Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer

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