If this is your first visit, be sure to
check out the FAQ by clicking the
link above. You may have to register
before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages,
select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below.
Policy / Politique
The fee for tournament organizers advertising on ChessTalk is $20/event or $100/yearly unlimited for the year.
Les frais d'inscription des organisateurs de tournoi sur ChessTalk sont de 20 $/événement ou de 100 $/année illimitée.
You can etransfer to Henry Lam at chesstalkforum at gmail dot com
Transfér à Henry Lam à chesstalkforum@gmail.com
Dark Knight / Le Chevalier Noir
General Guidelines
---- Nous avons besoin d'un traduction français!
Some Basics
1. Under Board "Frequently Asked Questions" (FAQs) there are 3 sections dealing with General Forum Usage, User Profile Features, and Reading and Posting Messages. These deal with everything from Avatars to Your Notifications. Most general technical questions are covered there. Here is a link to the FAQs. https://forum.chesstalk.com/help
2. Consider using the SEARCH button if you are looking for information. You may find your question has already been answered in a previous thread.
3. If you've looked for an answer to a question, and not found one, then you should consider asking your question in a new thread. For example, there have already been questions and discussion regarding: how to do chess diagrams (FENs); crosstables that line up properly; and the numerous little “glitches” that every new site will have.
4. Read pinned or sticky threads, like this one, if they look important. This applies especially to newcomers.
5. Read the thread you're posting in before you post. There are a variety of ways to look at a thread. These are covered under “Display Modes”.
6. Thread titles: please provide some details in your thread title. This is useful for a number of reasons. It helps ChessTalk members to quickly skim the threads. It prevents duplication of threads. And so on.
7. Unnecessary thread proliferation (e.g., deliberately creating a new thread that duplicates existing discussion) is discouraged. Look to see if a thread on your topic may have already been started and, if so, consider adding your contribution to the pre-existing thread. However, starting new threads to explore side-issues that are not relevant to the original subject is strongly encouraged. A single thread on the Canadian Open, with hundreds of posts on multiple sub-topics, is no better than a dozen threads on the Open covering only a few topics. Use your good judgment when starting a new thread.
8. If and/or when sub-forums are created, please make sure to create threads in the proper place.
Debate
9. Give an opinion and back it up with a reason. Throwaway comments such as "Game X pwnz because my friend and I think so!" could be considered pointless at best, and inflammatory at worst.
10. Try to give your own opinions, not simply those copied and pasted from reviews or opinions of your friends.
Unacceptable behavior and warnings
11. In registering here at ChessTalk please note that the same or similar rules apply here as applied at the previous Boardhost message board. In particular, the following content is not permitted to appear in any messages:
* Racism
* Hatred
* Harassment
* Adult content
* Obscene material
* Nudity or pornography
* Material that infringes intellectual property or other proprietary rights of any party
* Material the posting of which is tortious or violates a contractual or fiduciary obligation you or we owe to another party
* Piracy, hacking, viruses, worms, or warez
* Spam
* Any illegal content
* unapproved Commercial banner advertisements or revenue-generating links
* Any link to or any images from a site containing any material outlined in these restrictions
* Any material deemed offensive or inappropriate by the Board staff
12. Users are welcome to challenge other points of view and opinions, but should do so respectfully. Personal attacks on others will not be tolerated. Posts and threads with unacceptable content can be closed or deleted altogether. Furthermore, a range of sanctions are possible - from a simple warning to a temporary or even a permanent banning from ChessTalk.
Helping to Moderate
13. 'Report' links (an exclamation mark inside a triangle) can be found in many places throughout the board. These links allow users to alert the board staff to anything which is offensive, objectionable or illegal. Please consider using this feature if the need arises.
Advice for free
14. You should exercise the same caution with Private Messages as you would with any public posting.
I honestly believe it will balance out. If a pairing was too hard and you lost, you will have a lower score, get an easy game, and win. If it was too easy and you won, you will have a higher score, get a harder game and lose. Now if a pairing was too easy and you lost, don't blame the pairing system.
The same goes for all your competitors.
Late in the tournament it's too late for this corrective effect, but early on there's lots of time for balance to take place.
It doesn't though. I have 3 - my opponents have 3.
To get 3, I had to beat a 1900. To get 3, they had to beat a 1550. How does that "balance" out?
As Emil observes, for the sake of a couple of norms; 200+ annoyed participants;
The majority is always right ? While at it why not then bring back the death penalty and ban on abortion ?
The solution would rather be to have two sections ; the Open one for the few norm seekers and players who wants serious chess, and the other one for those who can't figure out accelerated pairings.
It doesn't though. I have 3 - my opponents have 3.
To get 3, I had to beat a 1900. To get 3, they had to beat a 1550. How does that "balance" out?
Because if you are good, you will continue to win, and if not you will be beaten down to your proper level.
And to the poster you said accelerated pairing means several wasted rounds, I think contrariwise that accelerated pairings mean no rounds are meaningless blowouts, perhaps only a handful of games. Certainly it's better for spectators.
----
Another system I've seen in action is to give all the top players 1 point byes. Say all 2300+ get 2 full-point byes, and effectively play a 7 round tournament. Round 3 the best of the lower masses get paired up with the master class, and the tournament goes on.
It's been able to do that for years... it wasn't always 100% accurate though, plus FIDE does change the rules from time to time, so I assume that's what that fix is all about.
The majority is always right ? While at it why not then bring back the death penalty and ban on abortion ?
The solution would rather be to have two sections ; the Open one for the few norm seekers and players who wants serious chess, and the other one for those who can't figure out accelerated pairings.
Actually, Jean, in case of the 2007 Canadian Open, Système Suisse Accéléré Degréssif, the majority was right. If you look at the Player Survey of the 2007 Canadian Open, and scoot down to line 12, Pairings, those who replied to the survey (150, more than half the entries) found them to be 6% poor, 8% fair, 26% satisfactory, 37% good, and 22% excellent. Majority governments have been elected with fainter approval than that! Although it must be noted that the majority stood even more in favour of the other aspects of that tournament.
I think it shows that the real-life players took into account the whole situation, and that they accepted the personal apology I made at the beginning of the horribly late round one.
With Mr. Ritchie, you can't tell whether he's serious or joking. When unavoided, what works for me is to regard each one as a joke. YMMV.
The multi-quote icon doesn't work on my computer. I click on it, it turns pink, but nothing happens. Is that normal for everyone else?
Last edited by Jonathan Berry; Thursday, 15th July, 2010, 10:00 AM.
Reason: OTT praise was OT.
Re: Canadian Chess Open Championship: Pairing Issues
Eg, only top 5 boards get actual competitive games. The rest of the games are totally lopsided. I mean If I wanted to play a 1500 so badly I'd go to any club and play some blitz games with them. I expect to have a few mismatched early pairings but this is round 5 and I already played my normal share of lower rated players. To play anyone under 2000 is quite a spectacular feat in any of the later rounds for me. Furthermore, it's not just my pairing that's useless. It's the other hundred pairings that have rating differences from about 300 to 1000. Is this supposed to be a competitive norm tournament or a competitive see who can finish their game the fastest with the most time? And I'm sure I'm not the only one with their norm chances destroyed by the pairing system and not by themselves. Thanks Canadian Open 2010, you'll always have a special place in my heart.
It was a very useful trait in his job, which was competitive international diplomacy. Canada has been the beneficiary of that trait. Whether you like Free Trade or not, you have to admit that he negotiated a pretty good agreement. Sure the Americans cheated on it, but yes, Virginia, they would have cheated on any agreement.
I've always been of the opinion the Americans have the same regard for their signed agreement as a cat has for marriage laws.
In a way, I like the model. We send the Americans all our oil and gas and they send us all their money. It has to beat offshore drilling.
The minus side on free trade is being played out in the B.C. (and other provinces) forestry sectors. Closing down mills and moving them to the U.S. or China to get the benefit of lower wages and taxes. Then ship the logs for processing in other countries. We are losing a lot of our industrial base that way. Not that I'm complaining. A company has to make money to stay alive and keep the shareholders happy. I've got a whack of shares in a company on the Island which just closed down a paper mill. I'm wondering where they will move that. I once took the tour of a Bowaters mill in NFLD and it was impressive.
I figure the Americans are using the Black Liquor tax credit to subsidize the industry. A loophole in the agreement and a HUGE subsidy, the way I see it.
Eg, only top 5 boards get actual competitive games. The rest of the games are totally lopsided. I mean If I wanted to play a 1500 so badly I'd go to any club and play some blitz games with them. I expect to have a few mismatched early pairings but this is round 5 and I already played my normal share of lower rated players. To play anyone under 2000 is quite a spectacular feat in any of the later rounds for me. Furthermore, it's not just my pairing that's useless. It's the other hundred pairings that have rating differences from about 300 to 1000. Is this supposed to be a competitive norm tournament or a competitive see who can finish their game the fastest with the most time? And I'm sure I'm not the only one with their norm chances destroyed by the pairing system and not by themselves. Thanks Canadian Open 2010, you'll always have a special place in my heart.
I'm curious to know what the "official" stance is on this situation? Matthew seemed to state that he [and possibly others] brought this to Hal's attention well before the beginning of Round 3.
As I understand it, a decision was made to let the bizarre pairings stand - perhaps because it was easier to go with the published pairings than to override them on the computer or to make sure everyone could be informed etc. I would love to know if anything official was posted (and what exactly was said).
(I am not conducting a witch hunt here; I have no skin in the game(s) so I have nothing to gain either way). I of course have seen some of the pairings for Round 5 are 'unusual' to say the least. Sadly, it seems worthwhile to ask for another value on the pairing chart: namely, rating difference!
Anyway, if you were looking for norm chances, I guess they were slim to begin with (in a 9-round open) but now impossible? I am not sure of all the nuances of norm attainment, but I presume you are. Good luck in the rest of the tournament...
Tweet
Comment