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You are completely right David, as shown by the preceding post: Richard Wang is not going, sponsored or not. Lots of fuss for nothing. Some people have a tough time to understand that wanting to do good is not the same as "doing good".
The road to hell is paved with good intentions...
I believe that its not exactly correct. His parents are still undecided and he may still go if he can receive some help. I guess financial wasn't the only reason for not wanting to go originally but I think that it may be the major now. His parents are certainly not financially needy, but a trip to Greece is expensive for pretty much everyone.
We frequently debated the merits of going to WYCC and personally I think not going is often the best decision in the bigger picture. This is a hard decision when you know there is medal potential. There are a lot of well meaning people suggesting you "have to go" that don't always understand the hardships involved with competing. Even for the best players winning a high placement can be a crap shoot depending on the large swiss, who is attending from elsewhere in the world, and the logistics of the trip. Back in Canada, results in WYCC seem to be an afterthought the focus is usually on ratings and what have you done lately ( ie did you win your games at the last weekend event ). Quite the opposite I think in Europe they really cherish their kids efforts at WYCC.
Last edited by Duncan Smith; Thursday, 29th July, 2010, 09:58 PM.
We frequently debated the merits of going to WYCC and personally I think not going is often the best decision in the bigger picture. This is a hard decision when you know there is medal potential. There are a lot of well meaning people suggesting you "have to go" that don't always understand the hardships involved with competing. Even for the best players winning a high placement can be a crap shoot depending on the large swiss, who is attending from elsewhere in the world, and the logistics of the trip. Back in Canada, results in WYCC seem to be an afterthought the focus is usually on ratings and what have you done lately ( ie did you win your games at the last weekend event ). Quite the opposite I think in Europe they really cherish their kids efforts at WYCC.
Hello Duncan,
You are right. Many years ago, the parent of one of our top junior players, told me that WYCC is just a money factory for FIDE and that his kid will not go for a second time even after a fantastic result at the first participation. Many years pass, and his kid keep having fantastic results in national and international tournaments. WYCC is not a necessity for the young players to grow but also is nothing wrong for the ones who decide to go and play over there.
There are not many youth tournament were (strongest ) players are all over the world, and I think that is a charm of the WYCC.
Does anybody care that Mr Kid won an NN Open?
For sure WYCC has its own charm, but Canadian Open and US Open just to name two, are always closer to home, safer and more convenient. On the other hand playing in Greece, Turkey, Vietnam, France, Georgia, Spain and so on might be a unique chance for many of the young players and for sure life time memories.
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Last edited by Andrei Botez; Monday, 9th May, 2011, 08:22 AM.
For sure WYCC has its own charm, but Canadian Open and US Open just to name two, are always closer to home, safer and more convenient. On the other hand playing in Greece, Turkey, Vietnam, France, Georgia, Spain and so on might be a unique chance for many of the young players and for sure life time memories.
I agree with you.
Agastya is at present in Turkey at WSCC. It is amazing and funny to hear his experience over there. The plane ride, hotel, food the people he met, he has stories about everything. And then the games he played, new friends he made, the arena (stadium) he played at, the out door trip, overall I think it was a memorable trip for him.
The fact that he flew alone from Ottawa to India at age 12 and then from India to Turkey with his coach and no parents was an experience all of us. Accompanied by his forgetfulness. We enjoyed listening to every bit of it. Especially the scare he gave the coach when he forgot his entrance ticket at the hotel and was not allowed to sit in the tournament on the 1st day, till the coach took a cab back to the hotel and back with the ID Card. LOL Glad I was not there.
I would send him to more such tournaments if I could. :( broke with this trip.
Last edited by Sanjiv Kalra; Friday, 30th July, 2010, 01:41 PM.
Just to clarify what I meant to say is in certain cases not going is a smart choice. I don't think I was clear. Examples of situations that seem decent to go to WYCC would be :
1. First time qualifiers ( first time is a special experience ).
2. Players who are realistic contenders for the first time.
3. Rich people with lots of time on their hands.
What I am referring to is players who qualify frequently. The Canadian system is not really set up to help them out as much as one might think. Its expensive, the coaching is hit and miss, it puts a huge dent in your year time wise ( at least two weeks plus preperation time ). It's incredibly hard to do well as a known or rated player because your opponents prepare for you. And you run the risk of FIDE or CFC messing something up ( maybe less risk now ) other then just FIDE making you overpay for the experience.
In hindsight we went too many times. If the CFC can improve the experience for repeat champions well it would be more worthwhile to try. I understand families like yourself with serious chess connections ( eg teachers ) might have more reason to go.
Last edited by Duncan Smith; Friday, 30th July, 2010, 06:14 PM.
Surprisingly I find many Canadians do put far more emphasis on winning some random weekend event then placing at WYCC. For example, when futurity fields are devised or Closed fields are created they start looking at ratings. WYCC results and $1 only get's you a cup of coffee from some Canadian organizers.
For sure WYCC has its own charm, but Canadian Open and US Open just to name two, are always closer to home, safer and more convenient. On the other hand playing in Greece, Turkey, Vietnam, France, Georgia, Spain and so on might be a unique chance for many of the young players and for sure life time memories.
It's not other people's job to give someone else's kid lifetime memories or unique chances.
David, I think its important as background that we understand that you and Andrei are two totally different people. You are involved in the online poker business which occasionally operates in an extremely unethical fashion ( eg huge corruption at Absolute Poker, plus many poker sites run software that deliberately creates action hands ). This doesn't make you a bad person but it helps in understanding why you might not relate personally to the idea of investing in the next generation ( be it chess or higher education ). You're in a business that people need to be naturally selfish in to succeed and/or survive.
I also think from 2000-2006 that chess in Canada did take on a certain degree of ruthlessness and selfishness that wasn't ideal for its survival. The CFC tended to set the politics of the day and I would say things were way out of control. Youth chess was adversely affected.
But I do agree that you yourself shouldn't be asked to support youth chess. Nobody asked you to. I would however welcome any news you have on what percentage of your companies profits are donated to worthy causes ( eg gambling rehabilitation programs ).
Last edited by Duncan Smith; Tuesday, 3rd August, 2010, 09:53 PM.
David, I think its important as background that we understand that you and Andrei are two totally different people. You are involved in the online poker business which occasionally operates in an extremely unethical fashion ( eg huge corruption at Absolute Poker, plus many poker sites run software that deliberately creates action hands ). This doesn't make you a bad person but it helps in understanding why you might not relate personally to the idea of investing in the next generation ( be it chess or higher education ). You're in a business that people need to be naturally selfish in to succeed and/or survive.
I also think from 2000-2006 that chess in Canada did take on a certain degree of ruthlessness and selfishness that wasn't ideal for its survival. The CFC tended to set the politics of the day and I would say things were way out of control. Youth chess was adversely affected.
But I do agree that you yourself shouldn't be asked to support youth chess. Nobody asked you to. I would however welcome any news you have on what percentage of your companies profits are donated to worthy causes ( eg gambling rehabilitation programs ).
Woah, way harsh man. Mr.Ottoson likes to win at tournament poker as well,
and doesn't need those kind of unproven and libelous idiocies -- esp as here he is a reputable chess sponsor. (Edmonton Can Opens, of course). He also is rumoured to consume Molson products, and thus should take responsibility for all teenage drinking and driving liabilities as well? Siddeley's now closed thread should have given you a hint: A hockey dad still ranting up and down the boards after his kid has already evolved from the minors is not only beligerent, but may need a tranq shot. Oh, you enjoy the game of chess? Or will nobody else listen to you. Anywhere else except the doctors office.Life goes on.Rant elsewhere, or choose a rational subject, at least.
When I worked at the CFC we were audited by the government and the woman doing the audit made it very clear that donations cannot come with a request as to how they are spent.
However, any expenses incurred by a player, or representative to the FIDE meeting for example, can be used for tax deductions. The person in question needs to send a cheque to the CFC in the amount of what was spent. The CFC can then return this same amount back to the person along with a tax receipt.
"The CFC can then return this same amount back to the person along with a tax receipt."
I don't believe this would pass the "smell test" under another Revenue Canada audit. Surely you can't issue a receipt for a donation as you are returning the donation? Hopefully the CFC have their ducks in a row since those days......
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