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There was controversy over the interpretation / ambiguity of a sealed move.
I can't remember the exact details, but I'm sure someone will fill us in. I'm guessing that the game wasn't finished and the CFC made a different ruling from the tournament.
I think the extra 1/2 pt gave Coudari the IM title, thus the higher than usual importance.
I'd personally love to see that format. Of course if we were going back to it you'd need at least 2 years warning so that all the provinces have time to properly qualify people, or else go with the top-rated in each province where no Closed was held.
It seems more likely to me that there will be no Canadian Closed some years then there being one of these exclusive RRs.
Last edited by Duncan Smith; Thursday, 19th August, 2010, 10:50 PM.
Let us review the game Camille Coudari vs Peter Biyiasas; Canadian Closed, Toronto, 1978. The game probably took place on
Aug. 13, 1978 (maybe Aug. 14).
From the "CFC Bulletin" #30 (Sept.-Oct. 1978), page 26:
"Biyiasas sealed 41....Rc1 and indicated that he would offer a draw if Coudari would respond on the spot. The envelope was
opened; Coudari rejected the draw offer and sealed 42. Rd7.
When the sealed move envelope was opened, Black's score sheet was missing. Black claimed a win because he said that White
had sealed an illegal move. [Rd7 looks legal to me...h.b.] White claimed a win due to the missing scoresheet. The Director
found that both claims were insufficient, but adjourned the game to the next day, pending a ruling by the Appeals Committee.
The Appeals Committee met and ruled that by opening the original sealed move envelope, the players had contravened the rules
unless they agreed to a draw or someone has resigned. Since neither player had resigned, the Appeals Committe found that the opening
of the original sealed move envelope signified an agreement to a draw.
That ruling was appealed by Coudari to the CFC Board of Directors; their decision is pending."
From the "CFC Bulletin" #32 (Jan.-Feb. 1979), page 11:
"....August 24, 1978 Phil Haley and Paul Janicki moved the following to the CFC Boad of Directors:
'For the reasons well documented in Mr. Coudari's appeal to the CFC, in respect to the unfinished Coudari-Biyiasas game in the
ninth round of the 1978 Canadian Championship Zonal, it is hereby moved that the decision of the Appeals Committee, ruling the game a draw, be annulled
and that the players be required to complete the unfinished game prior to November 16, 1978 [the Olympiad...h.b.].
It should be noted that the approval of this motion will: (a) not have any bearing either on first place [already won by Jean Hebert no matter what the
outcome of this game....h.b.] and the Canadian representative at the next Interzonal, or on the overall composition of the Olympic team and (b) will give
Mr. Coudari the opportunity to fulfill the requirements for the International Master title.'
Appended to the motion were statements from both players, a protest against the Appeals Committee rulingsigned by seven of the players, a letter of support
of playing out the game from the Tournament Director [Stephen Boyd] and a statement from the CFC President [Martin Jaeger] in favour of the motion.
The CFC President ruled that no amendments could be made to the motion and that a vote was to be taken without the customary discussion period.
The result of the vote was: Yes-23; No-20; Abstain-5. Three votes were received too late to be counted, and 15 Governors did not bother to vote.
The game was set to be played out during the Olympics in Buenos Aires. Biyiasas refused to play out the game, so the point was awarded to Coudari.
Coudari thereby fulfills the International Master norm of 10 points (66%), and automatically receives the title. He also qualifies, under the present
rules, for the next Canadian Championship.
Becasue of the change in Sonnenborn-Berger scores, Harper [now 10th] and Vranesic [now 11th] changed places."
Last edited by Hugh Brodie; Wednesday, 18th August, 2010, 10:20 PM.
Reason: Added game PGN.
The lack of available funding for a Canadian Closed would seem, according to the posts above, to be a major problem! Christopher Mallon's figure of $50,000 would seem to be a good starting point for discussion.
Here is a perhaps radical idea - why not let Bill Goichberg and his World Open in Philadelphia contribute? Canada selects its 12 players for the Canadian Closed according to some formula. The CC organizers then give each participant the airfare and expenses to the World Open, plus prizes, say, of $3000, $2500, $2000, $1500, $1000 and $500 for each of the others according to how they end up in the tournament. Any extra money that the players win would be theirs to keep.
Assuming that the average airfare is something like $500 per, with perhaps some players driving down, this would imply a travel expense of $6000. Room rates, with perhaps shared accommodation, might be $150 per person for 7 days, or another $12,600. Thus the organizers' total expenses would be something like $32,000, a significant savings over the $50,000.
Of course, this means that the Canadian Closed would not be held in Canada! But on the other hand the players get to go to a very well run tournament with excellent hotel accommodations. And the organizers might save some $18,000.
Chris Mallon's figure of $50,000 for a Canadian Closed may very well be accurate! Raising it would be a daunting prospect for any organizer.
Here is a perhaps radical suggestion: why not let Bill Goichberg and his World Open tournament in Philadelphia contribute? The CC might comprise of 12 players selected by some formula. The CC organizers would then pay each player their plane fare and expenses to Philadelphia, plus prizes of, say, $3000, $2500, $2000, $1500, $1000 and $500 for each of the remaining players, depending on how they ended up in the tournament. Any extra money that the players win in the tournament would be theirs to keep.
Plane fare and travel expenses might be something like $750 per, for a total of $9000. And some players might save money by driving down. Hotel expenses, with perhaps some shared accommodation, would be another $150 per times 12 times 8 days, or $14,400.
The total organizer cost would then come to some $37,000, a significant savings over the $50,000 mentioned. Of course, one problem - the Closed would not be held in Canada! But the players would get the benefit of an excellent tournament and excellent accommodations.
Last edited by Peter Bokhout; Thursday, 19th August, 2010, 12:28 AM.
Reason: delete - duplicate post
The thrifty format is 6 player, double round, determined by top down rating invitations, eg, from July's list: Kovalyov, Bluvshtein, Sambuev, Gerzhoy, Samsonkin, Noritsyn, easily fits free site and held in Toronto, massively reduces transportation and accomodation expenses.
What prize money might be considered appropritate for Lawrence's stripped down Closed/Zonal 6-player RR?
There is still the question though of where the $ 15,000 - $ 20, 000 will come from to cover prizes/expenses/trip of winner to World Cup. Our fundraising efforts for the Olympiad teams has not been going all that well - it seems stalled. I'm not sure if Can. chess players will donate to a Closed/Zonal.
I have been told sponsorship for the Closed/Zonal is especially difficult because of:
1. small number of players;
2. small numbers that the Closed/Zonal plays to from an advertising perspective;
3. the lack of prestige of our national chess championship.
The problem is that any RR format will demand sponsorship, I think - a difficult hurdle. The swiss format at least has the advantage that it has been self-financing in recent years.
As has been noted already, there were no bids put in at the Toronto July CFC AGM for the 2011 Closed/Zonal ( nor the Women's Closed/Zonal ). I hope this discussion may motivate some organizers to look seriously at putting in a bid.
Bob
Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Thursday, 19th August, 2010, 08:23 AM.
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