Running for CFC President

[Christopher Mallon]

Re: Running for CFC President

Well it was already clear, this just makes it harder for people to jump in the way at the last second. Plus he'll get to vote for himself so he's guaranteed 2% of the vote now!

[Hans Jung]

Re: Running for CFC President

So Chris, Does this mean the road is clear for David Lavin to run for president of the CFC at the annual meeting?

[Christopher Mallon]

Re: Running for CFC President

Just a FYI, David Lavin is now a CFC Governor-Nominee from the OCA.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Running for CFC President

After much brooding, musing, and debate I have decided to run for President of the CFC.

I think a 500 pound gorilla has entered the room.

If anyone is interested in seeing what I've been up to for the past twenty years please check out www.thelavinagency.com.

I see famous people...

Its good to see that you did well over those 20 years. You have some very impressive and recognizable clients and I'm not even talking about the ones I see on TV every day...

This should be interesting.

[Gary Ruben]

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I agree, Pierre. Just that the nominator and the seconder should know the Rules of Order to the extent that they know what it means to "challenge the chair", to be prepared. Nobody, I hope, wants a court case.

It is amusing that both the incumbent and the new guy could be challenged on grounds of eligibility--and I'm not saying anything about the merit of either challenge--so we might somehow have no presidential election, just a selection based upon points of order.

If Ontario won't make him a governor why doesn't B.C. do it? If he wins doesn't he become a governor at large and B.C. gets to replace him as a governor with someone else?

For disclosure, I don't know David and have never met him that I recall.

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

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It is amusing that both the incumbent and the new guy could be challenged on grounds of eligibility--and I'm not saying anything about the merit of either challenge--so we might somehow have no presidential election, just a selection based upon points of order.

David Lavin could still become the governor solving these eligibility problems (if such exists at all).

[Jonathan Berry]

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I agree, Pierre. Just that the nominator and the seconder should know the Rules of Order to the extent that they know what it means to "challenge the chair", to be prepared. Nobody, I hope, wants a court case.

It is amusing that both the incumbent and the new guy could be challenged on grounds of eligibility--and I'm not saying anything about the merit of either challenge--so we might somehow have no presidential election, just a selection based upon points of order.

[Garland Best]

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That would have been good to know prior to the EOCA AGM.

[Bob Armstrong]

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[QUOTE=Pierre Denommee;185]I didn't find any such rule. but there is

With the exception of the Executive Directors those Officers who are not members of the incoming Assembly of Governors shall:

enjoy the same rights as the members of the incoming Assembly during their term of office and they shall be regarded as Governors at large not representing any particular province,


I find the clause difficult to interpret. But it says " with the exception of the Executive Directors ..." - this seems to presume that the Executive Directors will be part of the incoming Governors, since it only sees it as necessary to deem the non-Governor officers Governors at large. It assumes that the Executive Directors are already incoming Governors. Thus you cannot be a candidate for Executive Director unless you are an incoming Governor.

My interpretation seems contrary to the rulings of the chair at prior AGM's where Neil Frarey, a non-governor, was allowed to run for the presidency.

I agree nevertheless with Pierre's suggestion that if the clause is unclear, and the precedent is unclear, then maybe it is appropriate to have the Governors vote on whether a certain non-Governor candidate will be allowed to run.

This section should probably be cleaned up by motion to clarify the situation for future.

Bob

[Pierre Denommee]

Re : Running for CFC President

I have chaired many meetings and I can affirm that it would be very hazardous for the chair to rule a candidacy out of order because he could be sued personally for doing that and that the court may order the AGM to be redone.

The recommended procedure is to have the Assembly vote the candidate out of order. If 50%+1 of the Assembly vote the candidate out of order, he would never have been elected anyway.

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

Re: Running for CFC President

Consider to come to the OCA AGM meeting.
Ontario has 17 spots for CFC governors and that is the largest bunch (see GL#8). You may meet your rival as well :)

[Jonathan Berry]

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I didn't find any such rule.

Right you are, Pierre. I wasn't hallucinating; I found it as Item 16, Bylaw Two, "Method of Election" in an old Handbook. Apparently, those provisions have been eliminated, by the Governors. However, we still have the "Limitation of Rights" in the existing (at chess.ca) Constitution. So a non-governor candidate must at least be prepared to "challenge the chair" if his or her nomination is declared out of order.

Anyway, it's good to see a candidate with the credibility and success record of David Lavin run for this oft-thankless position.

[Garland Best]

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I can only assume that this is the reasoning that Neil Frarey bases his candidancy on.

[Larry Bevand]

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Hi David,

Honestly I am very happy you have decided to make this commitment!

In the days when you were an awesome chess organizer, people in the chess mafia always thought all you cared about was yourself. Today, you have proved that your talents are appreciated in the real world and your accomplishments are many. At the end of the day, there is no doubt that one must feed oneself before being able to feed others. I am truly impressed that you want to give back to the chess community.

A little warning...there have been others before you. As I said recently to someone from Ottawa who wanted to give back...but ended up frustrated...actually his expression was cute...he said...working with CFC folks is like herding cats :)...ooops okay...my comment to him was...in the chess community...we lose the good people out of frustration and we keep the frustrating ones :).

There are many good and talented people available to us. Let's bring them together for the benefit of all.

David, thanks for stepping up to the plate! Hopefully you will weed through the inevitable frustrations...and make a difference!

Sincerely,

Larry

[Pierre Denommee]

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Welcome, David Lavin!

I'd put it more strongly than Gary Ruben did. Unless you are a Governor, you can be elected only if no Governor is willing to stand for the position.

Toronto has already chosen its 2008-2009 slate of Governors. I don't know, possibly you'll need somebody to play Benko to your Fischer in this Palma 1970 izt analogy.

I didn't find any such rule. but there is

With the exception of the Executive Directors those Officers who are not members of the incoming Assembly of Governors shall:

enjoy the same rights as the members of the incoming Assembly during their term of office and they shall be regarded as Governors at large not representing any particular province,


and

The Board of Directors shall be elected at the Annual Meeting of the Assembly and shall be constituted by seven persons, namely, the President, Vice-President, Past President, Secretary, Treasurer, FIDE Representative and Rating Auditor unless these titles are changed by ordinary resolution of the Assembly pursuant to section 8(f) at the annual meeting

Despite what is written in the Handbook, the rating auditor is no longer considered an Executive member.