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    Finally, a win in classical chess. Both players must be exhausted!

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    Re: Gelfand beats Grischuk in the Candidates

    Originally posted by John Coleman View Post
    Finally, a win in classical chess. Both players must be exhausted!
    You beat me to it John.

    Looks like Grischuk collapsed it time trouble, as his game didn't look all that bad 7 or 8 moves previously.

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      Re: Gelfand beats Grischuk in the Candidates

      Gelfand is the oldest challenger to the championship since Viktor Korchnoi, who was 45 when he faced off against Lasker in 1897.

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        Re: Gelfand beats Grischuk in the Candidates

        Wow. Well done Gelfand. I don't think he's reading this though. I agree with you John. The players must be super tired. Major heartbreak for Grischuk.

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          Re: Gelfand beats Grischuk in the Candidates

          Originally posted by Daniel Abrahams View Post
          Gelfand is the oldest challenger to the championship since Viktor Korchnoi, who was 45 when he faced off against Lasker in 1897.
          absurd x3
          1. Viktor Korchnoi was born only 1931
          2. Wilhelm Steinitz played the match with Emanuel Lasker in 1897.
          3. W.S. was 61 at that time.

          V.K was 50 when he played his 2nd match vs Karpov in Meran.

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            Re: Gelfand beats Grischuk in the Candidates

            Originally posted by Daniel Abrahams View Post
            Gelfand is the oldest challenger to the championship since Viktor Korchnoi, who was 45 when he faced off against Lasker in 1897.
            lol :) +1

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              Re: Gelfand beats Grischuk in the Candidates

              At one point at the Keres Memorial over the weekend the subject of Gelfand possibly winning the Candidates came up, and we idly speculated on when the last world championship occurred where both the champion and challenger were over forty (as will be the case with Anand-Gelfand). Without doing extensive research, looks like the last time was a century ago - the Lasker-Janowski match in 1910.

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                Re: Gelfand beats Grischuk in the Candidates

                It's pretty cool that both Anand and Gelfand are above forty. For once, people may reconsider the affirmation that only young players can play chess at the level of world champion. People don't get dumber as they age, they just lose ambition.

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                  Re: Gelfand beats Grischuk in the Candidates

                  Originally posted by Stephen Wright View Post
                  Without doing extensive research, looks like the last time was a century ago - the Lasker-Janowski match in 1910.
                  Alekhine (b. 1892) vs Bogoljubov (b.1889) 1934 match was the last with >40.

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                    Re: Gelfand beats Grischuk in the Candidates

                    Gelfand is one of the most unremarkable players of the top players.

                    I'm curious if anyone thinks he has one quality or another (or even several qualities?) that really should seperate him from the rest of those at the top. Of course the funny people out there will say... he wins.

                    Kortchnoi was at least remarkable with a certain style and tenacity. I have no issue with the age of the player, its just that Gelfand never struck me as brilliant.

                    He seems to know all lines incredibly deep however, for example in the Petroff and in the Catalan. A while ago when he played the Najdorf frequently he was not so bullet-proof, but now he seems to be.

                    Maybe that Gelfand is bullet-proof is remarkable in itself.

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                      Re: Gelfand beats Grischuk in the Candidates

                      I think that Gelfand played an exceedingly crafty game! His two quck draws gave the impression of a somewhat tired man ready to play out the string. Then in this last game he makes a demonstration on the kingside, inviting Grischuk to attack with Bf6, which he does. Oh boy! White's K side is broken open - Black must be winning, no?! NO! It was all a deep positional sac by White, who then closes in for the kill on the Q side. Excellent psychology!

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                        Re: Gelfand beats Grischuk in the Candidates

                        Originally posted by Mavros Whissell View Post
                        Gelfand is one of the most unremarkable players of the top players.
                        The worst possible outcome for FIDE and its World championship, and hopefully a good lesson. You just cannot setup a quick random formula and hope that the best player, or even one of the best will somehow emerge. It seems that Carlsen has been proven right to stay away from those short matches with unpredictable results. No Kramnik, no Topalov, no Aronian... not even a Kamsky. Weep...

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                          Re: Gelfand beats Grischuk in the Candidates

                          And now that the London bid fell through... who will sponsor Gelfand vs Anand?
                          :S

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                            Re: Gelfand beats Grischuk in the Candidates

                            There can only be one. The rules were the same for all the players.
                            Gary Ruben
                            CC - IA and SIM

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                              Re: Gelfand beats Grischuk in the Candidates

                              Could get a lot worse: Anand crushes Gelfand or Carlsen and Anand arrange their own match - a sponsor could be found for that one.


                              Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
                              The worst possible outcome for FIDE and its World championship, and hopefully a good lesson. You just cannot setup a quick random formula and hope that the best player, or even one of the best will somehow emerge. It seems that Carlsen has been proven right to stay away from those short matches with unpredictable results. No Kramnik, no Topalov, no Aronian... not even a Kamsky. Weep...

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