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Re: Canadian Open July 8-17 questions and Answers!
Hi Mark,
I noticed that my game against Kajan won the 1st brilliancy prize in the U2000 section. Just to double check though: does the unfortunate player, (in this case myself) who lost the game get part of the prize or does it solely go to the winner of the game? Thanks.
Dan
Hi Mark,
I noticed that my game against Kajan won the 1st brilliancy prize in the U2000 section. Just to double check though: does the unfortunate player, (in this case myself) who lost the game get part of the prize or does it solely go to the winner of the game? Thanks.
Dan
Hi Daniel:
All questions about money will have to be directed to Mr. David Cohen (the man signing the cheques) :)
It looks to me like the winner gets the money but please clarify with David on that question about the game.
By the way -- give my best to your father (one of the Kings of Talk radio) :D
Here is a list of the "Brilliancy Prize Winners and games"
Open - Best Games 1st-2nd ($180/game = $90/player)
GM Victor Mikhalevski - IM Artiom Samsonkin
Round 6, Board 2
As for the question from Mr. Zator -- Has a full list of prizewinners been published yet??
NO -- not that I can see -- I listed the website links where you will eventually find this information posted. The last message I saw from David Cohen was posted here....
"I need some rest, and would rather get it right with a small delay than rush to post a list with mistakes. Thanks for your patience."
David Cohen <davidcohen7076400@yahoo.com>
Perhaps you should write to the organizer instead of repeating the same question here on Chesstalk.
Re: Canadian Open July 8-17 questions and Answers!
Thanks Mark. That was my original suspicion but I just wanted to double check. I'll e-mail David about it. And thanks for the kind words about my Dad! He plays as well and was really pleased to hear the arbiter at the Canadian Open is a fan of his.
Thanks Mark. That was my original suspicion but I just wanted to double check. I'll e-mail David about it. And thanks for the kind words about my Dad! He plays as well and was really pleased to hear the arbiter at the Canadian Open is a fan of his.
You are welcome Daniel -- thanks for passing my message to Michael.
For those who can't wait any longer... here is the list....
First I would like to congratulate you on well organized 2011 Canadian Open and updating prize distribution list. :)
I believe there was a specific player missed for Top Under-14 section. Razvan Preotu got 5.0 in Open section, and that is 0.5 higher than, FM Jason Cao and WCM Jackie Peng. :D
With that added Razvan Preotu should receive Top Uner-14 prize and not Jason and Jackie. Please do correct me, if I am wrong.
According to section 16 of CFC handbook "tied winners of place prizes, or tied winners (in the same class) of class prizes, should be awarded all the cash prizes involved, summed and divided equally, but no more than one cash prize (in order of amount) should go into the division for each winner."
4 U14 players had 6 points that means $45 each ($180/4) for U14 prize.
The U2200 prize was $55 so they got it (bigger than $45).
Now what happened with the U14 prize is a different story. Only 2 players were left with 4.5 points so they shared the $180, $90 each
So players with 4.5 points got $90 for U14 prize and players with 5 points got $55 for U2200 prize.
It doesn't look right but it's according to CFC handbook.
According to section 16 of CFC handbook "tied winners of place prizes, or tied winners (in the same class) of class prizes, should be awarded all the cash prizes involved, summed and divided equally, but no more than one cash prize (in order of amount) should go into the division for each winner."
4 U14 players had 6 points that means $45 each ($180/4) for U14 prize.
The U2200 prize was $55 so they got it (bigger than $45).
Now what happened with the U14 prize is a different story. Only 2 players were left with 4.5 points so they shared the $180, $90 each
So players with 4.5 points got $90 for U14 prize and players with 5 points got $55 for U2200 prize.
It doesn't look right but it's according to CFC handbook.
I had always understood that what happened in cases like this (where the one group has a choice between their class prize which is smaller and a larger prize but when they claim that it is smaller because of the extra division) is that the money for all the prizes is summed up and divided equally. i.e. $180 U14 prize + U2200 prize split however many ways between the players with 6 points. That way there are no anomalies of the sort you describe. Its also what I am used to seeing in tournaments.
I had always understood that what happened in cases like this (where the one group has a choice between their class prize which is smaller and a larger prize but when they claim that it is smaller because of the extra division) is that the money for all the prizes is summed up and divided equally. i.e. $180 U14 prize + U2200 prize split however many ways between the players with 6 points. That way there are no anomalies of the sort you describe. Its also what I am used to seeing in tournaments.
Roger: I agree. I didn't see how many were involved in the U2200 split, but it seems to me that the $180 would have been part of the split prize as per the way I read the rules.
The two players who received $90 would get nothing. When it doesn't seem right, well it's probably not right !!
Fred: The CFC handbook states: "no winner should receive more than one cash award for which he is eligible."
a split from the U2200 prize + a split from the U14 prize = 2 cash awards.
The CFC handbook needs to be updated to cover this situation.
Fred: The CFC handbook states: "no winner should receive more than one cash award for which he is eligible."
a split from the U2200 prize + a split from the U14 prize = 2 cash awards.
The CFC handbook needs to be updated to cover this situation.
Two cash awards split between 4 players. This is how the rule is meant to be interpreted.
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but please clarify with David on that question about the game.
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