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Don't laugh, Vlad Dobrich is correct. Canada is at war with Libyan leader. CFC is a member of FIDE whose president supports Libyan leader. Next Harper will brand the CFC a terrorist supporting organization...CFC could make it clear on their website that they do not support actions of FIDE president...
... and the CFC goes on record with disapproval of the FIDE presidents actions?
Better convince your local governor not to vote for the candidate for CFC president who is on record as saying it is wrong for Canada to be so strongly dissapproving of the current FIDE president. http://www.chesscanada.info/forum/sh...74&postcount=3
Roger is also black and white thinking. I said that the CFC should disapprove of the specific action of the FIDE president going to Libya and associating with an enemy of the Harper government. I said nothing about disapproving of the FIDE president; it is one particular action of this person that is in question...a person is not defined by one action...lots of people fail to see the huge difference in these two outlooks...
Roger is also black and white thinking. I said that the CFC should disapprove of the specific action of the FIDE president going to Libya and associating with an enemy of the Harper government. I said nothing about disapproving of the FIDE president; it is one particular action of this person that is in question...a person is not defined by one action...lots of people fail to see the huge difference in these two outlooks...
The current FIDE president's actions and statements, in and out of FIDE, are consistently on the edge and form a pattern. This is not just one isolated action where he happens to be out of step with Canadian norms. I see no reason why one cannot look at the whole picture and conclude that he is unsuitable for FIDE presidency.
This would be the end of the CFC. We could become a grassroots organization and have to live off the Chess foundation interest
You're joking, but that might be the solution in 2012, the 140th and 80th anniversary of the (re-) founding of the CFC. Y'all might want to re-found it again, without (HST-able) membership fees.
FIDE has improved considerably since withdrawing from it was last vetted (though a non-starter for the vast majority). OTOH, the CFC and its status have changed, too.
Better convince your local governor not to vote for the candidate for CFC president who is on record as saying it is wrong for Canada to be so strongly dissapproving of the current FIDE president. http://www.chesscanada.info/forum/sh...74&postcount=3
I am sure that was posted before the most recent Kirsan indiscretion was committed but the question remains how can any sane person be anything but disapproving of FIDE's most recent course.
I am sure that was posted before the most recent Kirsan indiscretion was committed but the question remains how can any sane person be anything but disapproving of FIDE's most recent course.
It was and in all likelihood, said CFC presidential candidate is cringing along with the rest of us.
Having said that, his position is that it is wrong to be dissapproving of the FIDE president's (chess) actions and to oppose him. To the extent that the CFC has done so, I would think that the CFC has fairly represented the views of it's members. My impression is that the typical member has a fair amount of antipathy for Kirsan. So by implication, Serge's position is that the views of CFC members should not be the determination of how the CFC votes or otherwise deals with FIDE. His reasoning is perhaps an issue of practicality /acquiesence with power over asserting a democratic right to disagree.
To be truthful, I think Serge overstates the impact of any CFC actions. I don't think the CFC has ever had any particular standing in FIDE, that nothing in particular has changed in how Canada is viewed in FIDE, if it is treated as a lesser ranked chess country, it is because that is what it is and what it has always been. And voting for the losing candidate in a presidential election is not something to be fearful of.
I've now read both the original article and what is posted at fide.com, and I don't see what the fuss is about. Of course it is known that Ilyumzhinov had close associations with such as Saddam Hussein (so did the US government, when it was convenient). His visit to Tripoli could be interpreted as part of an attempt to broker peace. He chatted with a few people. A bit of soft-core diplomacy. He didn't, for example, drop 260 million bombs on a non-combatant nation.
I've now read both the original article and what is posted at fide.com, and I don't see what the fuss is about. Of course it is known that Ilyumzhinov had close associations with such as Saddam Hussein (so did the US government, when it was convenient). His visit to Tripoli could be interpreted as part of an attempt to broker peace. He chatted with a few people. A bit of soft-core diplomacy. He didn't, for example, drop 260 million bombs on a non-combatant nation.
and he is after all, a former head of state. But it is unfortunate that the headline is not of him as a politician / former head of state but as FIDE president.
I've now read both the original article and what is posted at fide.com, and I don't see what the fuss is about. Of course it is known that Ilyumzhinov had close associations with such as Saddam Hussein (so did the US government, when it was convenient). His visit to Tripoli could be interpreted as part of an attempt to broker peace. He chatted with a few people. A bit of soft-core diplomacy. He didn't, for example, drop 260 million bombs on a non-combatant nation.
We'll have to see if the FIDE article is eventually updated to say that he met with Momar.........
I will cede to the CFC historians, but it has been my impression that when John Prentice was CFC President, and Phil Haley was FIDE Rep., Canada may have had a somewhat larger presence in FIDE. Historians can correct me if my general impression is wrong.
I am sure that was posted before the most recent Kirsan indiscretion was committed but the question remains how can any sane person be anything but disapproving of FIDE's most recent course.
"I either want less corruption, or more chance to participate in it." -Ashleigh Brilliant
Serge wants more chance to participate in FIDE's... plans. He is a very practical man. Just the one that is needed as CFC president. ;)
Kirsan's visit to Libya is indeed offensive and it would be quite appropriate for the CFC to issue a statement of condemnation for publication by ChessBase, etc. That said, I would not get too carried away with our self-importance. We have long known that Kirsan is a crackpot but that does not make him unique among international sports federations (FIFA?) nor Ghadaffi unique among dictators killing his own people (Syria?).
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