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  • Fans determined to save Endgame (TV show)

    Personally, I watched most of the episodes and found them very entertaining.
    Should we help save this show?

    Here is a link to the article in the Vancouver Sun.

    http://www.vancouversun.com/entertai...377/story.html

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    Re: Fans determined to save Endgame (TV show)

    Thanks Ian. Yes, we should help save this show.

    Two separate fan campaigns - one at saveendgame.com (a save-the-show petition can be accessed at http://petol.org/endgame1) and the other at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-E...14228915276587 - have drawn reaction from Spain, Croatia and Brazil, and not just the U.S. and Canada.

    The fans' efforts have extended to twitter (#SaveEndgame), Orkut (where a community for Endgame surpasses 2,700 fans,), orangotag (a Brazilian media tool for TV devotees), IMDB, Wikipedia, Tumblr, and flickr.

    Okay, so I signed the petition (first link above)
    Well, actually I accidentally signed twice. :( But I did send an email to advise them.

    Let's see if we can get 200 CFC member signatures on this petition.
    Help support Canadian TV as well as Canadian Chess. :)
    Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Monday, 13th June, 2011, 11:50 AM.

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    • #3
      Re: Fans determined to save Endgame (TV show)

      I find the episodes good but not great. Worth saving.

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        Re: Fans determined to save Endgame (TV show)

        Does this show use taxpayer money to fund its existence? If so, then it should die. If not, then assuming it gains enough fans it should live.
        "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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          Re: Fans determined to save Endgame (TV show)

          Why do chessplayers only see things in black and white?
          Tom, perhaps there is an allocation of taxpayer money that funds shows; if this one dies then the money would go to another show. Would you rather it go to something with a chess theme or something unrelated. Whether the taxpayer money should be allocated to any shows is a seperate issue.

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            Re: Fans determined to save Endgame (TV show)

            I don't see things in Black and White. I see them in Green, as in I want to keep as much of my Green in my pocket as I can. ;-)

            I don't want my tax money going to support TV shows. Let the artists and TV industry players figure out a way to make money without getting welfare from me. If a show attracts enough viewers, then presumably it will attract enough advertising to fund it, and then it will survive. If not then it should die.

            Oh, and there is always the possibility of people taking pay cuts. ;-)
            "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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              Re: Fans determined to save Endgame (TV show)

              Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post
              Does this show use taxpayer money ...
              Doesn't every TV show and movie use taxpayer money? That's why they either say CBC or NFB at the end (direct from Tom O'Donnell's arm to their pocket), or have tax credit logos at the end.

              It don't mean a thing
              If it doesn't have the Saskatchewan Film Tax Credit bling.

              I signed the petition, too.

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                Re: Fans determined to save Endgame (TV show)

                Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
                Why do chessplayers only see things in black and white?
                Tom, perhaps there is an allocation of taxpayer money that funds shows; if this one dies then the money would go to another show. Would you rather it go to something with a chess theme or something unrelated.
                of course, the natural demarcation for television programmes is "ones about chess" and "ones not about chess"
                everytime it hurts, it hurts just like the first (and then you cry till there's no more tears)

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                • #9
                  Re: Fans determined to save Endgame (TV show)

                  Originally posted by Jonathan Berry View Post
                  Doesn't every TV show and movie use taxpayer money? That's why they either say CBC or NFB at the end (direct from Tom O'Donnell's arm to their pocket), or have tax credit logos at the end.

                  It don't mean a thing
                  If it doesn't have the Saskatchewan Film Tax Credit bling.
                  The Film and Television Tax Credit is NOT giving out government tax money. Note that I'm not talking about CBS, NFB or TVO.

                  Producers get to write off the expense of hiring local Canadians (like me). The production buy/rent $millions on office/studio space, hotels, electrical equipment, trucks/cars, lumber, paint, furniture, food, etc. Each US network TV series contributes over $ 1 million a week to the local economy. The government makes tax money on all those employees and businesses that service that film production.

                  It is a competitive market between many different US states, Canadian provinces and other countries. Production ONLY happens in places with a tax credit. So if we stop having a tax credit, we would lose all the Americian shows being filmed here.

                  tax credit = increased government revenue from $ millions being spent, people working

                  no tax credit= no film jobs or spending = decreased gov't revenue.

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                    Re: Fans determined to save Endgame (TV show)

                    So the film people pay taxes like everybody else, but because they're film people, producing in Canada (or wherever) they get some of that money credited back, by the government. I'm not sure what Tom is going to say that is, but if I had to make a guess .... Had they been producing, oh, say, chess videos for the Internet, they wouldn't be getting that credit.

                    I'm not saying it's a bad thing, and the way you describe it, it looks necessary to maintain a "film industry" in Canada, but I'm waiting for Tom ....

                    The way you describe it, Erik, it sounds very efficient.

                    Unlike the fabulously inefficient Research and Development grants that, according to Brian McKenna in the Globe and Mail, (March 12, 2011 print edition) are widely abused in Canada by corporations in general (maybe film companies are at that trough, too). I think Tom is going to tell us that he'd like to be able to stop investing in such an inefficient government.

                    Amusingly, an accompanying article in the Globe and Mail seems to take the reader step-by-step through the process of applying for said R&D grant. The main article has 458 comments, so perhaps not all readers of the Report on Business Weekend edition agree with Mr. McKenna's analysis.
                    Last edited by Jonathan Berry; Tuesday, 14th June, 2011, 01:40 PM. Reason: morebla. Richly moreblaed text, dripping with goodness.

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                      Re: Fans determined to save Endgame (TV show)

                      Why is it necessary to maintain a film industry in Canada? Will someone die if we don't?

                      The same sort of argument that justifies these credits going to the film industry are the same as the ones where some weasel gets a city to build a stadium or convention centre for them "it creates jobs, tax revenues, etc.". If these things are so great then someone is going to invest in them for profit without the government.

                      This is also like the Obama stimulus package. Estimates range from what I've read from $100,000 to $500,000 per job was created/saved by the stimulus. People still insist on having governments create/save jobs ...
                      "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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                        Re: Fans determined to save Endgame (TV show)

                        Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post
                        Why is it necessary to maintain a film industry in Canada? Will someone die if we don't?
                        With such a point of view there is absolutely nothing worth maintaining. We will all die sooner or later.

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                          Re: Fans determined to save Endgame (TV show)

                          Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post
                          Why is it necessary to maintain a film industry in Canada? Will someone die if we don't?
                          Why should I have to pay for public transportation? I don't use it.

                          Ottawa is the most pampered city in Canada, in my opinion. Libertarian heaven, but no seats on the hill. :)
                          Gary Ruben
                          CC - IA and SIM

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                            Re: Fans determined to save Endgame (TV show)

                            Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                            Why should I have to pay for public transportation? I don't use it.

                            Ottawa is the most pampered city in Canada, in my opinion. Libertarian heaven, but no seats on the hill. :)
                            If your argument is that city bus systems should be covered by private companies funded by the ridership then we are in complete agreement.
                            "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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                              Gary and Tom agree!

                              Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post
                              If your argument is that city bus systems should be covered by private companies funded by the ridership then we are in complete agreement.
                              Did I just feel the earth move?

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