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As there are 33 foreign players in a Swiss, players don't have to play 3 foreign players, can get the norm playing Canadian GMs and IMs.
FM Cheng 2385 FIDE
1985 1 (WCM)
2032 1
2528 0 GM
2071 1
2217 1 FM
2611 0.5 GM
2409 1 IM
2577 0.5 GM
18430 titled player
wins last round 7 pts 1640
ties last round 6.5 pts 2126
loses last round 6 pts 2585
So as long as Cheng plays an IM or GM rated 2585 FIDE he gets an IM norm.
GM Mikhalevski 2569, so avg rating 2333 so 6 points gives him IM norm!
A possible GM norm:
IM Samsonkin 2378 FIDE
1978 1
2092 1
2200 1
2483 0.5 IM
2553 0.5 GM
2569 1 GM
2577 0.5 GM
2425 0.5 IM
18877 1
If wins last round, 7 points, to get a GM norm, Samsonkin has to defeat a player rated 2543.
IM Gerzhoy's opponents were too weak
2083 1
2217 1 FM
2390 1 IM
2378 0.5 IM
2350 1 IM
2476 0 GM
2467 0.5 GM
2295 1
18656 1 GM
needs to defeat a 2764 GM.
Erik, you are correct in your assessment of norm possibilities; however you forgot to consider the fact that for norm purposes, players can actually increase the rating of their lowest rated opponent. For GM norm purposes, the rating becomes 2200 and for IM norms its 2050. In either case, for the players that you mentioned it doesn't actually make a difference whether real ratings are used or the lowest rated opponent's rating is increased.
As there are 33 foreign players in a Swiss, players don't have to play 3 foreign players, can get the norm playing Canadian GMs and IMs.
FM Cheng 2385 FIDE
1985 1 (WCM)
2032 1
2528 0 GM
2071 1
2217 1 FM
2611 0.5 GM
2409 1 IM
2577 0.5 GM
18430 titled player
wins last round 7 pts 1640
ties last round 6.5 pts 2126
loses last round 6 pts 2585
So as long as Cheng plays an IM or GM rated 2585 FIDE he gets an IM norm.
GM Mikhalevski 2569, so avg rating 2333 so 6 points gives him IM norm!
A possible GM norm:
IM Samsonkin 2378 FIDE
1978 1
2092 1
2200 1
2483 0.5 IM
2553 0.5 GM
2569 1 GM
2577 0.5 GM
2425 0.5 IM
18877 1
If wins last round, 7 points, to get a GM norm, Samsonkin has to defeat a player rated 2543.
IM Gerzhoy's opponents were too weak
2083 1
2217 1 FM
2390 1 IM
2378 0.5 IM
2350 1 IM
2476 0 GM
2467 0.5 GM
2295 1
18656 1 GM
needs to defeat a 2764 GM.
Erik, you are correct in your assessment of norm possibilities; however you forgot to consider the fact that for norm purposes, players can actually increase the rating of their lowest rated opponent. For GM norm purposes, the rating becomes 2200 and for IM norms its 2050. In either case, for the players that you mentioned it doesn't actually make a difference whether real ratings are used or the lowest rated opponent's rating is increased.
My understanding is that only the first UNRATED player become the minimum. And I did that for Samsonkin's list. The second unrated, if he faced one, would be 1200, destroying norm chances. He would have gotten the GM norm if it was normal accelerated pairings, and played CFC masters in the first few rounds.
My understanding is that only the first UNRATED player become the minimum. And I did that for Samsonkin's list. The second unrated, if he faced one, would be 1200, destroying norm chances. He would have gotten the GM norm if it was normal accelerated pairings, and played CFC masters in the first few rounds.
I see now that you did that for Samsonkin, but not for Bindi (his 1lowest rated opponent could have been made into 2050). I don't know if accelerated pairings would have made a difference to him, as personally I am not a big fan of it but thats another story.
I see now that you did that for Samsonkin, but not for Bindi (his 1lowest rated opponent could have been made into 2050). I don't know if accelerated pairings would have made a difference to him, as personally I am not a big fan of it but thats another story.
Low rated players can be raised to 400 below, but I thought only unrateds to 2050?
Bindi drew his last game, but average rating 2233 67 points too low (2290) for a GM norm.
FM Shiyam Thavandiran 2320 FM
played 3 GMs and 1 IM so doesn't meet requirement of 5 Title Holders. The 3 GMs count as 4.5 IMs, for that's a different requirement.
I consider that FM don't count as a Title Holder, just GM, IM, IWM but I can't cite the regulation where that is spelled out.
FM can be included:
"1.45 Titles of opponents
1.45a At least 50% of the opponents shall be title-holders (TH) as in 0.31, excluding CM and WCM. For exact numbers see table in 1.7."
and
0.31
Titles for over-the-board standard chess (as defined in 1.14), the judging unit being the FIDE Qualification Commission:
Grandmaster (GM), International Master (IM), FIDE Master (FM), Candidate Master (CM),Woman Grandmaster (WGM), Woman International Master (WIM), Woman FIDE Master (WFM), Woman Candidate Master (WCM).
FM can be included:
"1.45 Titles of opponents
1.45a At least 50% of the opponents shall be title-holders (TH) as in 0.31, excluding CM and WCM. For exact numbers see table in 1.7."
and
0.31
Titles for over-the-board standard chess (as defined in 1.14), the judging unit being the FIDE Qualification Commission:
Grandmaster (GM), International Master (IM), FIDE Master (FM), Candidate Master (CM),Woman Grandmaster (WGM), Woman International Master (WIM), Woman FIDE Master (WFM), Woman Candidate Master (WCM).
FMs count as titled for the purpose of having 50% of opponents titled, but not CMs:
1.45a At least50% of theopponents shall be title-holders (TH) as in 0.31, excluding CM and WCM. For exact numbers see table in 1.7.
[QUOTE=Erik Malmsten;40294]Low rated players can be raised to 400 below, but I thought only unrateds to 2050?
Lowest rated opponent can be raised to the level floor (it doesn't matter if they are unrated or just lower rated).
Here is the rule:
.46c For the purposes of norms, the minimum rating (adjusted rating floor) for the opponents shall be as follows:
Grandmaster 2200
International Master 2050
Woman Grandmaster 2000
Woman International Master 1850
1.46c1 No more than one opponent shall have his rating raised to this adjusted rating floor. Where more than one opponent are below the floor, the rating of the lowest opponents shall be raised.
What's the avg. rating for Shiyam's opponents? Did he get an IM norm as well?
If not, it should be pretty close.
The average for Shiyam was 2277 which was just short of the required 2284; Additionally, I think that he only played against 4 (and not 5) titled opponents anyway.
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