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Well Fred, I don't think a rating of 2200 over 24 games is all that meaningful these days. Ratings have inflated up to 2700, even in Canada.
A national master title should be for high accomplishments, which is possible even in Canada.
Simply attaining 2200 and maintaining it for 24 games brings up questions. Particularly when the strength of players differ in various parts of the country.
Here are the qualifications the Canadian Correspondence Chess Association rquires to gain the title. It's more based toward accomplishments and performance than rating. This has been in place since before the ICCF SIM title, which is between the IM and GM titles was in existance.
"The title CCCA Master is a permanent title which can only be achieved by fulfilling one of the 9 requirements below:
1. Win the Canadian Closed CC Championship. (K-series)
2. Finish 2nd or 3rd twice in the Canadian Closed CC Championship ("K").
3. Achieve an international CC title. (IM or GM).
4. Win an 11-man ICCF Master Class Tournament.
5. Finish 2nd or 3rd twice in an 11-man ICCF Master Class Tournament.
6. Score 50% or better when playing for Canada in a CC Olympiad.
7. Score the IM norm requirement in an ICCF Master Norm Tournament (regular or email).
8. Score the IM norm less 1 point in an ICCF Master Norm tournament (regular or email) and earn a half norm for the CCCA Master title.
9. Win a CCCA Candidate Master Challenge "M" tournament. Half norms are also available in this tournament but requirements can vary from year to year and are determined by the number of participants and the average rating of the tournament participants. "
By the way, Fred, I value my ICCF International Arbiter title higher than my playing title. I only played the high level events to help out when the ranks of the elite started declining. My playing "happened" and I didn't plan it that way.
The CCCA Master title appears significantly more difficult, and if the same sort of achievements applied to Cdn OTB play would only be achievable by IM level players.
Having said that, I don't know what sort of ratings players on the CCCA Olympic team have, or the Canadian Champion would typically have.
I'm not sure what kind of a message you're trying to send here, as I don't see too many others jumping on this elitist bandwagon.
Well Fred, I don't think a rating of 2200 over 24 games is all that meaningful these days. Ratings have inflated up to 2700, even in Canada.
A national master title should be for high accomplishments, which is possible even in Canada.
Simply attaining 2200 and maintaining it for 24 games brings up questions. Particularly when the strength of players differ in various parts of the country.
Here are the qualifications the Canadian Correspondence Chess Association rquires to gain the title. It's more based toward accomplishments and performance than rating. This has been in place since before the ICCF SIM title, which is between the IM and GM titles was in existance.
"The title CCCA Master is a permanent title which can only be achieved by fulfilling one of the 9 requirements below:
1. Win the Canadian Closed CC Championship. (K-series)
2. Finish 2nd or 3rd twice in the Canadian Closed CC Championship ("K").
3. Achieve an international CC title. (IM or GM).
4. Win an 11-man ICCF Master Class Tournament.
5. Finish 2nd or 3rd twice in an 11-man ICCF Master Class Tournament.
6. Score 50% or better when playing for Canada in a CC Olympiad.
7. Score the IM norm requirement in an ICCF Master Norm Tournament (regular or email).
8. Score the IM norm less 1 point in an ICCF Master Norm tournament (regular or email) and earn a half norm for the CCCA Master title.
9. Win a CCCA Candidate Master Challenge "M" tournament. Half norms are also available in this tournament but requirements can vary from year to year and are determined by the number of participants and the average rating of the tournament participants. "
By the way, Fred, I value my ICCF International Arbiter title higher than my playing title. I only played the high level events to help out when the ranks of the elite started declining. My playing "happened" and I didn't plan it that way.
I'm not sure what kind of a message you're trying to send here, as I don't see too many others jumping on this elitist bandwagon.
Most of us won't ever become International level players, but a level of achievement title or certificate is still a nice recognition.
But that's just my opinion.
Judging from my inbox a lot of players do like the recognition, even individuals who have the FIDE master title and even players who haven't played in a while. Lets relax and see what this title system can mean for chess popularity.
OK. Until recently I didn't know the CFC National Master titles were not permanent.
A CFC Master title was awarded to someone who maintained a rating over 2200, for 24 consecutive games. This was a lifetime title.
That doesn't change the fact that I think just about everybody would refer to anybody 2200+ as a National Master, but it wasn't an official title you could retain for life.
Traditionally anybody rated 2200+ was considered a National Master (NM). The difference now is that there is permanent recognition for completing the "norms".
OK. Until recently I didn't know the CFC National Master titles were not permanent.
You would think so but the newly minted National Masters title can be anything they want it to be, I suppose.
Fide also seems to be inventing new titles.
Traditionally anybody rated 2200+ was considered a National Master (NM). The difference now is that there is permanent recognition for completing the "norms".
A 2200cfc is equivalent to a 2100 fide in most cases, so if someone is a FM, most likely they will have 2400 cfc on average, therefore, FM has to be higher
You would think so but the newly minted National Masters title can be anything they want it to be, I suppose.
I do't know what you mean by "Earned?" Do you want proof that they have played 24 games? Most of these historic players have, certainly in Toronto where there are many weekend tournaments. For example, Peter Nurmi won 2 Toronto Closed in a row. If it's a lifetime title, I would like to include inactive players for their contribution to Canadian chess history. It was harder to become 2200 in the 1970s. If you like, I'm willing to go through old bulletins and make a list of "earned" masters. Or do you want players to submit "evidence" one by one?
At the moment our priority is going to be currently active players and current members listed. We will eventually get everyone listed. It is probable that many of those past players received a NM title and certificate when they were active. Right now I only have access to the database back to 1996 or thereabouts through the website player lookup. I have a pile of old magazines but they aren't organized at this point. I am answering emails and checking qualifications as quick as I can but anyone who qualifies under the new system doesn't have to contact me because they should be caught and listed automatically in fairly short order.
As some of you may be aware, the rules pertaining to the achievement of the NM title have recently changed; however, we are currently trying to catch those that qualified for and/or received their certification under the old rule:
738. CFC Life Masters. The CFC will issue a "Certificate of Chess Master" for each player who achieves a CFC rating of 2200 or above for 24 consecutive regular tournament games. Players who have achieved this performance in the past can request their certificate from the CFC business office, by providing satisfactory evidence of their performance to the CFC business office. [see Motion 2003-01; 02-03GL3, December 2002]
My (unofficial) list of those that may be NMs is below. Please contact me if you see your name. If you don't notice your name, but think it should be there, note that I omitted FIDE titled players and that inactive players are also likely absent. As a last resort, check here: http://chess.ca/titleholders. If you still don't find your name, also feel free to contact me.
I do't know what you mean by "Earned?" Do you want proof that they have played 24 games? Most of these historic players have, certainly in Toronto where there are many weekend tournaments. For example, Peter Nurmi won 2 Toronto Closed in a row. If it's a lifetime title, I would like to include inactive players for their contribution to Canadian chess history. It was harder to become 2200 in the 1970s. If you like, I'm willing to go through old bulletins and make a list of "earned" masters. Or do you want players to submit "evidence" one by one?
I simply mentioned a criteria for a national master title which does not appear to be in the current setup.
I'm still curious which is considered higher. A FM or National master.
A 2200cfc is equivalent to a 2100 fide in most cases, so if someone is a FM, most likely they will have 2400 cfc on average, therefore, FM has to be higher
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