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Presumably, but ... guessing that it was the sum of the two best scores, India is clearly first. Then Canada ties for second with Russia, and wins on tiebreak. If so, then Russia is third, but the medal standings don't show Russia winning any bronze medals.
it is the top three, which in U-16 would be Eric (8), Lloyd Mai (6), and Alexander Martchenko (5.5). Aaaaaaah, here we go, the team rankings for each section are below the individual rankings on the web pages. Canada won silver behind India and ahead of Vietnam in the Open Under-16.
Congratulations, Eric, Lloyd and Alexander!
On paper this year's team had the best result. I still think factoring in all things ( the addition of U8 categories, reduced field size, less top Europeans, only 14? players in 2001 ) that 2001 had a very similar feel to it.
Last edited by Duncan Smith; Saturday, 1st November, 2008, 02:17 AM.
I didn't see anybody suggest that a Canadian won an individual medal this year, Gary. The official site confirms that. Tiebreaks were used.
Thank you, Jonathan.
You mentioned in this thread that Canada's silver medal was a team medal. To tell the truth, I don't understand the concept of a team medal in an individual competition and that's what made me wonder.
I do understand why it is desirable to pair countrymen or relatives with each other in the early rounds.
Here are the final results. Ater the country you have their score out of 11 followed by how they finished in their section. Eric Hansen tied for 2nd place!, Kelly Wang tied for 3rd place! and Jonah Lee tied for 6th place! The final rank given below is how they finished after the tie-break.
I believe this was the Best overall performance for Canada at this event ever!
39 Graif William 0 CAN 5,5 44 Open 10
8 Qin Joey 2137 CAN 5,0 60 Open 12
79 Li Chang He 0 CAN 6,0 31 Open 12
90 Sohal Tanraj 0 CAN 6,5 27 Open 12
41 Calugar Arthur 2044 CAN 5,5 47 Open 14
12 Hansen Eric 2362 CAN 8,0 5 Open 16
13 FM Thavandiran Shiyam 2338 CAN 5,0 46 Open 16
35 Mai Lloyd 2150 CAN 6,0 24 Open 16
48 Martchenko Alexander 2039 CAN 5,5 43 Open 16
47 Ye Ling Feng 2188 CAN 5,0 48 Open 18
75 Xu Haizhou 0 CAN 4,5 66 Open 18
5 Bilodeau-Savaria Cendrina 0 CAN 5,5 32 Girls 08
30 Peng Janet 0 CAN 3,0 51 Girls 08
51 Wang Kelly 0 CAN 8,0 4 Girls 08
54 Peng Jackie 0 CAN 6,0 24 Girls 10
49 Kalaydina Regina Veronicka 0 CAN 6,5 23 Girls 12
62 Powell Ashley 0 CAN 4,0 65 Girls 12
37 Orlova Yelizaveta 1863 CAN 7,0 14 Girls 14
69 Powell Samantha 0 CAN 4,0 69 Girls 14
58 Kagramanov Dalia 0 CAN 5,5 35 Girls 16
62 Yang Marguerite 0 CAN 4,0 54 Girls 16
43 Du Jasmine 0 CAN 5,0 34 Girls 18
13 Bellissimo Joseph F. 0 CAN 4,5 58 Open 08
35 Lee Jonah 0 CAN 7,5 7 Open 08
Thanks everyone. I would like to note one thing that I think is a major concern however. Canada sent 24 players, which was the 9th highest total. But we had 0 coaches and in couldn't even find a head of delegation for a while. I know that in the past that Canada had 1 coach,it's not enough but it's better than nothing. Similar countries in delegation size and chess strength sent at least 1 coach, if not more. The USCF sent 3 GM's and a few other coaches to accompany their 28 players. And the United States Chess Federation isn't rich by any standards, it is losing huge amounts of money every year but still does it's part for the youth team. I saw Australia with a couple coaches and some other weaker chess nations(as well as quite poor countries) with some as well. If Canada wants to compete internationally we need the resources for the players. I think that many of the players would have benefited had they had the same assistance as there opponents got. Canada has one of the highest standards of living in the world,so I almost found it embarassing that we couldn't get any coaches. Also needing a parent to volunteer to act as head of delegation was also a shock. Dr. Sohal did a great job, but we should be able to field a proper delegation without scrambling to find someone to volunteer. I noticed the CFC had no money to pay for the olympiad team, but it set up a fund for people to donate to send the players to Germany.Why not do something similar for the kids? If they want to support youth chess, they should be doing the same. Most of the players didn't get funding and had to pay a large amount for themselves and a parent to go. Bringing a personal coach is too expensive, so the only chance is for team coaches. The CFC should be organizing ways to raise money to get the proper things for Canada to be able to perform it's best at international tournaments. I think Canada has been missing some big opportunities to improve its youth chess, and I hope that in future years the problems will be rectified.
Well, that's the end of my rant. I still had the best time of my life and hope to go back next year. I'd like to thank everyone for making it a memorable trip!
Congratulations again on your lost-out-on-a-silver-medal-only-because-of-tiebreak performance, and for your leadership part in Canada's team silver medal.
In Calvia, Yan Teplitsky told me that coaching the Canadian contingent was great fun and "you should go too!". Hah!
I don't know how coaches have been financed. Many years, the CFC took in way more money from the CYCC than was needed to send the winners to the WYCC, so I'm guessing that it came from the CFC. Perhaps in other years, the parents got together and split the cost. For 2008, the CFC faced much greater costs because of the distance to Vietnam. I was surprised to find tickets (from Vancouver) available on regularly scheduled flights in the $1200 range, so the cost wasn't as great as it might have been, but yes, more than sending a player to Spain. Also there seem to be permanent new expenses, such as the organizer's fee.
Your idea of a Junior Chess (coaching) fund is a good one, and would not detract from the Olympiad effort. It might activate new sources of money.
... as an "interested observer", not in any way representing the CFC !
.... The USCF sent 3 GM's and a few other coaches to accompany their 28 players.
...
Eric,
I am not 100% sure but I think I heard the Americans say that their Federation pay the coaches but paid nothing for the players even for their number ones. If this is true it means that Americans prefers to help the GMs. Americans told me that at the WYCC tournaments last year and again this year. This would explain probably why Americans have only 4 more players than Canada. I recall an American mother last year which preferred a lot more our system since the Federation gave no money for her son.
Glad to see that you successfully found your plane at the airport in Vietnam where we split after the bus...
Congratulation again for your success.
Carl
Last edited by Carl Bilodeau; Thursday, 6th November, 2008, 07:13 AM.
Hi Carl,
As your "I am not 100% sure but I think I heard the Americans say that their Federation pay the coaches but paid nothing for the players even for their number ones"
and I am not sure 100% too I heard the Americans say : they don't have go to compete the national youth chess championship, any chess player can go to WYCC as long as he/she pay by his/her own money.
If you are in the far East end, and go to the west end for CYCC or reversely, you have to pay air ticket and accomodation, food. Then if kid does not get the 1st place, it means we pay almost double for WYCC trip. It is the fact, we have to consider our finace and save a big net money for our kids' trip.
Problem: geo Canada is huge for chess tourn trip -
Advantage: we have rich resources and freedom - peace - happiness :) - best of the best.
Loc
Hi Carl,
As your "I am not 100% sure but I think I heard the Americans say that their Federation pay the coaches but paid nothing for the players even for their number ones"
and I am not sure 100% too I heard the Americans say : they don't have go to compete the national youth chess championship, any chess player can go to WYCC as long as he/she pay by his/her own money.
If you are in the far East end, and go to the west end for CYCC or reversely, you have to pay air ticket and accomodation, food. Then if kid does not get the 1st place, it means we pay almost double for WYCC trip. It is the fact, we have to consider our finace and save a big net money for our kids' trip.
Problem: geo Canada is huge for chess tourn trip -
Advantage: we have rich resources and freedom - peace - happiness :) - best of the best.
Loc
My understanding several years ago is the Americans just declare their highest rated interested players the champions and they get the FIDE subsidies. England I know nominates their "champions" by committee.
England is highly organized, keeps costs controlled and has great coaching at the event itself. I'd prefer that model, even if my child failed to qualify as much because when she qualified it would be a quality experience and she could truly contend for a medal when she had the skills to do so.
The CYCC model only works well assuming unlimited financial resources. In other words, "rich" families can go every time. Those of us who were neither rich nor poor have to evaluate the seemingly excessive costs associated with repeat trips. And most of the real contendors at WYCC are repeat players and most are highest rated players in Canada in their category ( Eric is an exception ).
2005 to me was a joke. The investment families like us make to bring two players to Victoria BC, including one of the more high profile players, was large. Then we invest even more money to go to Belfort and the CFC messes us the whole trip. No real coach, botched airline tickets, a one hour commute from our hotel twice a day, this was not what we paid for at all.
So it is no wonder we have not attended a CYCC since, we got smarter eventually. I wouldn't recommend the CYCC for anyone at this point after their first trip to WYCC. Do it once, enjoy the experience then get out of the program. Maybe try twice if you have strong top 10 chances or some big way to reduce your costs.
The program will not change as long as parents and players continue to support it as is. Which might be what the majority wants, given leadership from Mr. McDonald and now Ms. Nadeau I don't think either understand what it takes to contend at WYCC and what the program needs to offer. So if the model remains everyone should keep in mind nothing in it is tailored to contending at WYCC, it is all about sending a huge team to the WYCC festival, socialize, hopefully everyone wins close to half their games.
Everyone is free to disagree, and the actual crowd at CYCC obviously buys into the program as is.
Last edited by Duncan Smith; Thursday, 6th November, 2008, 04:30 PM.
A kid that can not (or do not want) go to the Canadian Championship can go anyway to the WYCC by his own means like any American kid.
I presume that the Canadian Championship is a national competition that can also get you some money for the WYCC if your get first place. It is also a competition that tells you if you are really as strong as your think you are before you go to the WYCC. But I am sure everyone that wants to go to the WYCC can go.
For FIDE there is no limitation to the number of Additional players. We could send 7 kids per section without problems with FIDE. So for FIDE no problems.
Why would the CCF refuse a kid that wants to go? They would not refuse since it cost nothing to them and there is no limitation on the FIDE side and I don't imagine them fighting against a child will. CCF should not publicised this for the sake of the Canadian Championship and this is good.
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