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Re : Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?
I think the original reason was the language barrier. It makes a lot of sense, because I read one of the old CFC magazines and it was one of the worst translations I had ever read. Of course, there was probably more than language problems, such as small rivalries or quarrels.
In any case, in recent years, the desire to stay appart definitely comes from Quebec ; what would the FQE win by merging with the CFC? I mean, the FQE has a very good financial situation, has a healthy Quebec Open championship, now has a Team-Quebec and a lot of sponsors... Losing all this and losing the governmental subvention (which can't be used for tournaments, but is used to pay the salaries), would never be worth it.
Maybe someone can tell who exactly decided that both federations should split, but in any case it won't change much to the actual situation.
I think the original reason was the language barrier. It makes a lot of sense, because I read one of the old CFC magazines and it was one of the worst translations I had ever read. Of course, there was probably more than language problems, such as small rivalries or quarrels.
In any case, in recent years, the desire to stay appart definitely comes from Quebec ; what would the FQE win by merging with the CFC? I mean, the FQE has a very good financial situation, has a healthy Quebec Open championship, now has a Team-Quebec and a lot of sponsors... Losing all this and losing the governmental subvention (which can't be used for tournaments, but is used to pay the salaries), would never be worth it.
Maybe someone can tell who exactly decided that both federations should split, but in any case it won't change much to the actual situation.
To make a long story short for our young friends.
The FQE was disaffiliated by the CFC in 1979 for failure to contribute to the CFC's "international programs" by demanding that all its members be also CFC members. Instead the FQE decided to develop its own services in french which was and still is something that the CFC is incapable of and/or unwilling to do. The CFC never has had any wish or sense of responsibility to be a truly national organization and provide servives in both official languages. In this context, both federations are better to work independently and cooperate from time to time on specific issues mutually profitable (like renaming the Quebec Open Canadian Open when needed... ).
Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?
We could go back futher - to 1972 - when the FQE started its own rating system. A computerized rating system allowed much faster rating of tournaments (e.g. the 700+ player 1972 Quebec Open) than the CFC could provide. Subsequently - fewer and fewer Quebec tournaments were CFC-rated (and I think none at all throughout most of the 1978-2000 time range - exceptions being a couple a year in the Hull/Gatineau area, and the odd FIDE-rated event).
As the FQE rating statistician from 1979 to 1985, I could provide a rating list for the FQE magazine which - by the time the member received the magazine - the ratings printed were as little as 10 days behind.
Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?
Is the idea of having the CFC re-affiliate with the FQE (but not having the FQE as a provincial federation), work?
What I mean is, can the CFC work out some arrangement whereby they choose to be the FIDE representatives for the FQE (thus allowing FIDE rated FQE tournaments). Perhaps an extra $1 rating fee for the trouble (since the other $3 that the CFC currently charges would not be used to input the results in the CFC system).
I don't mind being in both organizations, I just hate feeling pulled in different directions.
What I mean is, can the CFC work out some arrangement whereby they choose to be the FIDE representatives for the FQE (thus allowing FIDE rated FQE tournaments).
The CFC is still the only federation recognized by FIDE and the federation representing ALL canadian players internationally. This is a problem because in real life the CFC has little to do with Quebec chess, besides having the power to make access to FIDE ratings and norms difficult to Quebec players. For example it could charge outrageous fees (and this has been considered a few times to put pressure on the FQE or simply extract more money) to allow FQE tournaments to be FIDE rated.
For a while the FQE made attemps at being recognized by FIDE but it has apprently given up (forgotten through change of leadership ? ) on the idea, without coming up with a plan to make sure its elite do not suffer from the current standstill between the federations.
Such problems are conveniently ignored by both federations because it touches mostly what they call "elite players". And who cares in Canada about elite players and up and coming youngsters ?
Spraggett is right about this.
Is the idea of having the CFC re-affiliate with the FQE (but not having the FQE as a provincial federation), work?
What I mean is, can the CFC work out some arrangement whereby they choose to be the FIDE representatives for the FQE (thus allowing FIDE rated FQE tournaments). Perhaps an extra $1 rating fee for the trouble (since the other $3 that the CFC currently charges would not be used to input the results in the CFC system).
I don't mind being in both organizations, I just hate feeling pulled in different directions.
In order for any FQE tournaments to be FIDE rated, all participants must be CFC members, as only CFC rated tournaments are eligible to be submitted to FIDE. The rates for FIDE rating are posted on the CFC web site, and are consistent across the country.
To make a long story short for our young friends.
The FQE was disaffiliated by the CFC in 1979 for failure to contribute to the CFC's "international programs" by demanding that all its members be also CFC members.
I think there were a motion which stated opposite, that the CFC would not seek monies for international programs from the FQE. I assume it was accepted after the CFC and FQE went different ways.
Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?
When I was working at the CFC attempts were made to find solutions to the problems that existed between the CFC and the FQE. Troy Vail and I made a trip to Montreal and spent a very enjoyable day with, I think, Valentin Prahav (someone correct my faulty memory here if necessary) and Richard Berube. We spoke about ways to cooperate, tournaments run jointly and rated by both bodies, and so on. Also, I attended a meeting in Hull where the two presidents, Francisco Cabanas and Stephane Beaudoin met. What the FQE was looking for was the CFC to ask FIDE to allow Quebec to send its own teams to the Chess Olympiads. The answer was no.
Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?
The FQE made a presentation at a FIDE meeting in the 1980's (probably via another federation - not the CFC - probably France) to be recognized as a seperate federation. The request was denied, since all new FIDE member "nations" had to be one of:
1) A UN member (covers most FIDE "nations").
2) Has UN observer status (I think the only two eligible are Palestine and the Vatican - but I don't believe the Vatican has ever applied to FIDE).
3) "Grandfathered" (Scotland, Hong Kong, Wales, etc.).
4) Disabled organizations (blind, deaf, etc.)
Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?
Vlad, Gary, Bonham, and Kitich and some of their buddies could actually be recognized by FIDE as a separate federation. Under category 4) above if mental disability counted...
In order for any FQE tournaments to be FIDE rated, all participants must be CFC members, as only CFC rated tournaments are eligible to be submitted to FIDE.
To me that is unreasonable regulation and aimed at taking Quebec players hostages.
Paul, such a potentially sensitive issue doesn't deserve such flippant and personal shots. Please be more respectful of others here.
His religion (AGW) has collapsed after it caused him to make a massive bet with his life and the reality that he lost the bet is starting to sink in. Some useless flailing is to be expected in such circumstances. To fully understand the course that he is following one need only examine the stages of the grieving process as documented by Elizabeth Kubler-Ross.
Vlad, Gary, Bonham, and Kitich and some of their buddies could actually be recognized by FIDE as a separate federation. Under category 4) above if mental disability counted...
If you were not such a nincompoop, this might be offensive. Under the circumstances I have to overlook your ignorance. I don't know how the others will feel.
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