Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

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  • #16
    Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

    Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
    If you were not such a nincompoop, this might be offensive. Under the circumstances I have to overlook your ignorance. I don't know how the others will feel.
    His introductory credentials as an intellectual heavyweight were greatly overstated. Some people are just easily fooled being so undiscerning as to mistake a counterfeit bill for the real thing. Paul doesn't rise to the stature of even the minor players.

    Life is too short to waste much time with the petty little men like Paul. Children eagerly wait to learn the secrets of chess or at least the paltry few that I have discerned well enough to pass on to them. Soon enough, they will be making their own discoveries.

    Good old boys were drinking whiskey and rye, singing this'll be the day that I die.

    (Some where on a bench along the Appalachian trail. Happy trails Jeem. Wish it had ended on a better note.)
    Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Friday, 2nd March, 2012, 03:28 AM. Reason: Historical accuracy.

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    • #17
      Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

      How about keeping on topic, and maybe the moderator could remove the off-topic messages in this thread?

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      • #18
        Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

        Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
        Vlad, Gary, Bonham, and Kitich and some of their buddies could actually be recognized by FIDE as a separate federation. Under category 4) above if mental disability counted...
        They could and probably want to be recognized for something, since they are not getting anywhere here. Maybe CFC can try putting in a word for them. I just do not see why FIDE would want to waste their time on this garbage and their request will fail miserably.

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        • #19
          Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

          When I first started with the CFC, in 1992, I heard a lot of talk about a gentleman named Finta. I never met him, and have no opinion of my own on this subject, but most of the comments I heard were negative and suggested that he was difficult to deal with. I was told that the CFC had made approaches to the FQE in the hopes of improving the relationship, but that with Finta this was out of the question.
          Last edited by Brad Thomson; Friday, 2nd March, 2012, 10:50 AM.

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          • #20
            Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

            Originally posted by Brad Thomson View Post
            When I first started with the CFC, in 1992, I heard a lot of talk about a gentleman named Finta. I never met him, and have no opinion of my own on this subject, but most of the comments I heard were negative and suggested that he was difficult to deal with. I was told that the CFC had made approaches to the FQE in the hopes of improving the relationship, but that with Finta this was out of the question.
            Mr Finta has no longer been in the picture for more than 15 years. If he was the problem, how come things have not improved since he left ? Who is the next scapegoat to be held responsible ?
            You know Brad, over the years I have heard lots of things about you too. If I believe half of it, I might think that you are responsible... :)

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            • #21
              Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

              Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
              Mr Finta has no longer been in the picture for more than 15 years. If he was the problem, how come things have not improved since he left ? Who is the next scapegoat to be held responsible ?
              You know Brad, over the years I have heard lots of things about you too. If I believe half of it, I might think that you are responsible... :)
              "Where the human mind sees great heroes and dangerous villains, Reality sees one mass of equally lost human beings." - Vernon Howard

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              • #22
                Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

                Oh, I think most of what you heard is probably true John. :)

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                • #23
                  Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

                  Originally posted by Brad Thomson View Post
                  Oh, I think most of what you heard is probably true John. :)
                  I know, but I have come to the opposite conclusion that you are IRresponsible. :)

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                  • #24
                    Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

                    Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
                    To me that is unreasonable regulation and aimed at taking Quebec players hostages.
                    What would be reasonable ?

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                    • #25
                      Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

                      Originally posted by Fred McKim View Post
                      What would be reasonable ?
                      If requiring CFC membership is unreasonable, I guess the opposite must be reasonable, that is NOT to require CFC membership. :) Setting up strong FIDE rated events is hard enough without the CFC trying to make a point at the players expenses. It has not worked for 30 years besides making our collective chess life a bit poorer. It is not going to work any time soon.

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                      • #26
                        Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

                        Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
                        If requiring CFC membership is unreasonable, I guess the opposite must be reasonable, that is NOT to require CFC membership. :) Setting up strong FIDE rated events is hard enough without the CFC trying to make a point at the players expenses. It has not worked for 30 years besides making our collective chess life a bit poorer. It is not going to work any time soon.
                        The CFC pays annual fees to FIDE that have nothing to do with rated events or rating fees. What you are saying is that you want people to be able to get the benefits of Canada being a member of FIDE without contributing to the cost of maintaining those benefits?
                        Christopher Mallon
                        FIDE Arbiter

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                        • #27
                          Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

                          Originally posted by Hugh Brodie View Post
                          How about keeping on topic, and maybe the moderator could remove the off-topic messages in this thread?
                          I reserve the right to comment in response to an unprevoked insult which is not removed.

                          If you want on topic, here it is.

                          I never felt at the time in the 70's the Quebec organizers had very much interest in getting very involved with the CFC. The times were different politically (and I don't mean chess politically) and I felt they wanted to have their own organization and federation.

                          We, in correspondence chess, were fortunate Quebec was content to stay within the organization and were around a third of the membership.
                          Gary Ruben
                          CC - IA and SIM

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                          • #28
                            Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

                            Originally posted by Christopher Mallon View Post
                            The CFC pays annual fees to FIDE that have nothing to do with rated events or rating fees. What you are saying is that you want people to be able to get the benefits of Canada being a member of FIDE without contributing to the cost of maintaining those benefits?
                            Would it be possible for the CFC to charge a "FIDE levy" to those provincial federations that opt out of the CFC. If the FQE could have its top players "have the benefits of Canada being a member of FIDE" for a share of the full cost, they might be interested.

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                            • #29
                              Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

                              Originally posted by John Coleman View Post
                              Would it be possible for the CFC to charge a "FIDE levy" to those provincial federations that opt out of the CFC. If the FQE could have its top players "have the benefits of Canada being a member of FIDE" for a share of the full cost, they might be interested.
                              Anything is possible. The real question is: What is the benefit to the CFC to do this?
                              Christopher Mallon
                              FIDE Arbiter

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                              • #30
                                Re: Why did the CFC and FQE relationship fall apart?

                                Originally posted by John Coleman View Post
                                Would it be possible for the CFC to charge a "FIDE levy" to those provincial federations that opt out of the CFC. If the FQE could have its top players "have the benefits of Canada being a member of FIDE" for a share of the full cost, they might be interested.
                                you are either proposing

                                a) a fee that the opting out province would refuse to pay and then what?

                                or

                                b) a fee that individuals from opting out provinces would have to pay - so CFC membership in that province would not have full CFC membership priviliges. A discriminatory and not very satisfactory solution.

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