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CCC Discusses Chess – Posts of Interest – Cell Phone in Chess Tournament
CCC Discusses Chess – Posts of Interest – Cell Phone in Chess Tournament
CCC Discusses Chess – Posts of Interest – Cell Phone in Chess Tournament
Erwin Casareno –CCC Member
(Note: This discussion has been posted in the CCC Discussion Board in Facebook)
I posted this discussion to tackle the issue on the banning of cell phones in chess tournaments’ playing areas. Chess is a very intense mental game where concentration is of utmost importance. The disruption of thinking process could be fatal especially when calculating deep variations and any slight disturbances such as the ringing of cell phone is very annoying. Understandably, the cell phone ringing was banned. Severe penalties were imposed understandably such as losing the game.
Should the players who accidentally forgotten to turn off their cell phones be penalized with a game lose?
Or should we oblige the Arbiters to announce the reminder to turn off cell phones before the start of each round?
Should we obliged the organizers to post Posters to turn off cell phones at the playing area?
In my opinion, the penalty of losing the game is too harsh. Perhaps, a warning then the penalty.
Re: CCC Discusses Chess – Posts of Interest – Cell Phone in Chess Tournament
It needs to be that strong, or every single game will have a random person's cell phone ring.
The TD needs to loudly announce the rule before game 1. Reminders could be posted on the wall. And movie watchers should be ejected from the theater for using their phone during the movie.
Should the players who accidentally forgotten to turn off their cell phones be penalized with a game lose?
Or should we oblige the Arbiters to announce the reminder to turn off cell phones before the start of each round?
Should we obliged the organizers to post Posters to turn off cell phones at the playing area?
In my opinion, the penalty of losing the game is too harsh. Perhaps, a warning then the penalty.
Anyone who shows up with a cellphone, can receive silent text messages about their game.
The ringing is just proof they've already violated the ban.
That's why they're thrown out of the tournament immediately, not because of distracting rings.
Anyone who shows up with a cellphone, can receive silent text messages about their game.
The ringing is just proof they've already violated the ban.
That's why they're thrown out of the tournament immediately, not because of distracting rings.
Hi Ed, thank you for pointing out that cell phone use during a game in a chess tournament is prohibited due to cheating.
The scope of my discussion is the situation when the element of cheating is not present.
Example: a top grandmaster is playing a patzer on the 7th move of a position. And the GM's phone suddenly rings.
Will the GM be penalized with a loss? Is it a fair penalty?
Hi Ed, thank you for pointing out that cell phone use during a game in a chess tournament is prohibited due to cheating.
The scope of my discussion is the situation when the element of cheating is not present.
Example: a top grandmaster is playing a patzer on the 7th move of a position. And the GM's phone suddenly rings.
Will the GM be penalized with a loss? Is it a fair penalty?
Does the penalty also apply to a pager?? I know pagers are almost obsolete now, but I know some companies still use them for on call people. I do not believe it is possible to receive significant assistance via a pager (I suppose one could send the best move as an encoded call back telephone number...)
It seems there are lots of university students that read chesstalk - what is standard practice for exams? Is there a requirement to 'check-in' all communication devices (like a coat check?) and get them back after the exam? What would happen if a student "forgot" to check in their phone and it rang during the exam? Ok, same question with the proviso that the exam is not being held in Quebec...
Does the penalty also apply to a pager?? I know pagers are almost obsolete now, but I know some companies still use them for on call people. I do not believe it is possible to receive significant assistance via a pager (I suppose one could send the best move as an encoded call back telephone number...)
It seems there are lots of university students that read chesstalk - what is standard practice for exams? Is there a requirement to 'check-in' all communication devices (like a coat check?) and get them back after the exam? What would happen if a student "forgot" to check in their phone and it rang during the exam? Ok, same question with the proviso that the exam is not being held in Quebec...
Students keep devices in their knapsack at the front, and make sure they don't beep.
Last edited by Ed Zator; Thursday, 17th May, 2012, 05:12 PM.
Reason: grm
Re: CCC Discusses Chess – Posts of Interest – Cell Phone in Chess Tournament
Hi,
In Canada it seems we are, overall, still way too lenient about cell-phones.
Granted at club level, where the environment may be more casual, it may be up to different organizers to enforce cellphone disruptions or not. At tournaments, cellphones should definitely be banned. Naturally nobody will search through people's belongings to find out whether a person is or not in possession of a cellphone, but the use of one can and probably should result in immediate forfeiture. In the case of a spectator, he/she should be banned from the playing hall.
The arbiter announces loud and clear at the beginning of the tournament (although it doesn't seem like he should have to, it's in FIDE rules now - we don't announce how a pawn moves) phones can not be used.
One cannot get away with a warning since that would give everyone one screw up chance. How many people forfeit TWO games from using / ringing of a cellphone? Probably not many. (None that I know) How many people will continuously forget to turn off their cellphones if they get away with a warning? I've seen dozens. In the past couple years, the cellphone rule was applied on a couple of occasions, from what I remember from reading chess news. Nigel Short forfeited a game at a top tournament, and a Bulgarian GM forfeited as well in a team tournament. I've played 3 FIDE-rated tournaments in Greece, each with 200+ players, 23 rounds total, and don't recall a single cellphone going off. Maybe it's time we make sure ours are off too!
Cell phone possession during a game is prohibited, or should be.
I am in favour of strictly enforcing the rule whereby if your phone rings, you forfeit the game. A benevolent TD may wish to remind players before each round about this rule and that it will be strictly enforced. This is an act of kindness towards the absent minded among us. But the rule should be enforced with no "one ring" grace.
However, I have a problem with a ban on cell phones in the tournament hall. Many of us have jobs or family responsibilities that do not permit us to be out of contact. Some might argue that before cell phones, we weren't always instantly reachable but the world has changed. Perhaps not for the good, but it has changed nonetheless.
One problem chess has is low participation. If we make it harder for chess players who have responsibilities that require them to carry a cell phone (on vibrate, of course), we chop away from an already small pool of players that sustain OTB chess.
That's not to say that cheating is not a problem that we have to be diligent about but I'm not sure that a blanket cell phone ban is the best route towards making cheating difficult.
I am in favour of strictly enforcing the rule whereby if your phone rings, you forfeit the game. A benevolent TD may wish to remind players before each round about this rule and that it will be strictly enforced. This is an act of kindness towards the absent minded among us. But the rule should be enforced with no "one ring" grace.
However, I have a problem with a ban on cell phones in the tournament hall. Many of us have jobs or family responsibilities that do not permit us to be out of contact. Some might argue that before cell phones, we weren't always instantly reachable but the world has changed. Perhaps not for the good, but it has changed nonetheless.
One problem chess has is low participation. If we make it harder for chess players who have responsibilities that require them to carry a cell phone (on vibrate, of course), we chop away from an already small pool of players that sustain OTB chess.
That's not to say that cheating is not a problem that we have to be diligent about but I'm not sure that a blanket cell phone ban is the best route towards making cheating difficult.
Not to mention that phones are so much more than phones these days. They are a watch, notepad, to do list, and so on ad infinitum.
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