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What Vlad wrote above makes sense to me, again matching what I think is the common wisdom.
If you're not personally appalled that the NDP has dropped its reference to its socalist (and, earlier, communist, if I might add) roots, then expect Ken Craft may be. Ken once posted long ago that he is a socialist, I recall.
Fwiw, here's a link to a history of the CCF (Co-operative Commonwealth Federation), an earlier version of the party before it renamed itself the NDP after accusations of being communist during the Cold War:
I don't think the NDP has been a truly socialist party in quite a while. You don't hear calls from them to end capitalism, just to control it more for the benefit of the 'little guy'.
As for the charisma issue, if there's one thing the Harper government has taught us, it's that a charismatic leader is NOT a prerequisite for political success. Also that scandals need not be the kiss of death for a government- compare the sponsorship scandal that just wouldn't go away for the Lib's with the many Tory scandals that make headlines for a few weeks, then conveniently fade away.
I don't think the NDP has been a truly socialist party in quite a while. You don't hear calls from them to end capitalism, just to control it more for the benefit of the 'little guy'.
As for the charisma issue, if there's one thing the Harper government has taught us, it's that a charismatic leader is NOT a prerequisite for political success. Also that scandals need not be the kiss of death for a government- compare the sponsorship scandal that just wouldn't go away for the Lib's with the many Tory scandals that make headlines for a few weeks, then conveniently fade away.
IMO Harper was elected while facing arguably main opponents who were also not charismatic (i.e. mainly the Liberal leaders, not counting Layton, nor Duceppe, who gaffed badly in Quebec towards the end of the last election).
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
"Polls give B.C. NDP near-insurmountable lead over Liberals."
Will likely be fertile ground for the federal NDP to garner votes in the next federal election. Has to give Trudeau & Harper some cause for concern (as I understand it, the BC Liberals house both partisan Liberals and Conservatives).
If you're not personally appalled that the NDP has dropped its reference to its socalist (and, earlier, communist, if I might add) roots, then expect Ken Craft may be. Ken once posted long ago that he is a socialist, I recall.
No, but it appears its precursor the CCF was communist (or at least accused to be). The CCF was against capitalism, at least it says so at one point within the link I gave in an earlier post.
ETA: the NDP has never officially been communist, afaik, that is.
ETA: P.S.: will Mulcair ever reprove/disipline the (former?) communist NDP member who recently slagged Vimy, etc.?
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Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
I doubt your vote will influence my wager with Bob. :)
I don't know if the good they would do by taxing the rich and giving it to me in services outweighs the money wasted for what passes as climate science and bad policy ( like not allowing a pipeline to the coast).
The NDP probably has a chance of at least a minority government in Ontario but I think the more they support the Liberal government the less the chance of that happening.
This is starting to feel like the last year or two of the Bob Rae provincial majority. Much of the criticism slowed down and people simply went to the polls and took away the NDP mandate.
If I were to write a book on that I'd call it something like From the Outhouse to the Penthouse and Back in 5 Zany Years.
...This is starting to feel like the last year or two of the Bob Rae provincial majority. Much of the criticism slowed down and people simply went to the polls and took away the NDP mandate....
Hi Gary:
I think Bob Rae as Ont. NDP Premier gets a bad rap.
He took office at the time of one of the worst recessions in recent history.
His "Rae Days" were a very egalitarian way of exerting financial pressure needed. The unions pilloried him for this, and I think their campaign lastingly influenced the public on an assessment of the Ontario NDP years in power.
I think Bob Rae as Ont. NDP Premier gets a bad rap.
He took office at the time of one of the worst recessions in recent history.
Hi Bob,
Too bad his main promise was to bring in public auto insurance and he didn't do it. Do you recall that? He was elected to do something specific and failed.
By the time the election rolled along he had even alienated much of his union support base. Workers were upset which is not good for the NDP.
Then, for a reason unknown to me, he went almost the entire 5 years of his mandate which signals a government in trouble.
No, but it appears its precursor the CCF was communist (or at least accused to be). The CCF was against capitalism, at least it says so at one point within the link I gave in an earlier post.
The CCF was not communist. Canada had an active Communist Party at the time lead by Tim Buck. The CPC and the CCF could not abide each other.
That would be essentially correct. The CPC marched to Moscow's drum during those years.
ETA: Moscow had a policy of Popular Fronts in the 30's. Please see the below from Wikipaedia:
Solidarity efforts around the Spanish Civil War, as well as many labour and social struggles during the Depression, saw much cooperation between members of the CPC and the CCF. After 1935 the CPC advocated electoral alliances and unity with the CCF on key issues. The proposal was debated in the CCF, with the 1936 BC, Alberta and Saskatchewan conventions generally supporting cooperation while the Ontario convention opposed. While the motion was defeated at that Parties third federal convention, the Communists continued to call for a united front.
I don't need wikpedia for a reference. I remember them from Manitoba. If you like Wikpedia, here's a paragraph from one writeup.
"For the next few years, the CCF's primary concern was preventing infiltration from Communists (then officially represented by the Labour Progressive Party). Some figures in the LPP favoured cooperation with the CCF; the CCF leadership was fully opposed to this, and suspended two prominent Manitoba MLAs when they advocated formal cooperation. Accusations of being "Communist sympathizers" would hinder the party's fortunes for years to come."
I don't have any of my history books at the office but I'm happy to consult some hsitories of the era when I get home. The animus between the the CPC and the CCFNDP also played out in the union movement.
The CCF was not communist. Canada had an active Communist Party at the time lead by Tim Buck. The CPC and the CCF could not abide each other.
Depends on who you believe. If you believe the RCMP anyone with an interest in social conditions during the Great Depression or who resisted the idea of enlistment for the First World War were communist. It didn't take much. Don't forget the FBI followed Fischer around because he spoke Russian and ordered material in Russian. JS Woodsworth was one of the early guiding light of the CCF and a parlimentarian. He was a also a former minister, not particularly prone to following communism's atheism I think but an early campaigner for social justice. Don't forget that Bennett and King, Conservative and Liberal both, did nothing for the Canadian people during the depression. The standard line was that there was work for anyone who looked hard enough. The On to Ottawa march was halted in Regina after the RCMP shot down a number of marchers. I'm not an NDPer but you can't be very proud of the other parties record during that time especially Bennett but King was almost as bad. During the same ere Hoover was obsessed with tracking down homosexuals and communists but moved not at all against organized crime.
Last edited by Zeljko Kitich; Friday, 19th April, 2013, 02:49 PM.
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