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This is why I don't like computer pairings. Surely two Canadians going all the way to Turkey shouldn't be paired with so many players at 2 points and so many other options available. Ok, so not the computer's fault - its the program. The
program could include instruction to avoid such pairings if other options are available.
So organizers and/or players don't mind such pairings? Am I in a minority for
thinking this is undesirable?
With the great sums of money spent to bring diverse players from all over the world to one event, I would think that FIDE would want everyone to have as unique an experience as possible. As well, FIDE ratings would gain in accuracy.
And what does our FIDE rep, Hal Bond think?
Opps! Looks like Hansen grabbed a poison pawn and got his queen trapped. That leaves Kleinman as leading Canadian with a 3 - 1 score. Lets hope Michael can continue to perform!
Look at the big picture: If you had four people from a much stronger country that couldn't play each other, then technically they could all end up with perfect scores.
Where it's not a team tournament, then I don't think it's necessary to prevent same-country pairings.
Although I completely agree with you in that it sucks that two Canadians had to play each other, I can't agree that it should have been avoided.
Jordan
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Look at the big picture: If you had four people from a much stronger country that couldn't play each other, then technically they could all end up with perfect scores.
Where it's not a team tournament, then I don't think it's necessary to prevent same-country pairings.
Although I completely agree with you in that it sucks that two Canadians had to play each other, I can't agree that it should have been avoided.
Jordan
I dont think there is anything in the regulations to deal with the situation; it does seem to be a drag - especially in the early rounds where there are a lot of other pairings possible. It looks like Hansen lost, so at least they didn't take a 'convenience draw'
I dont think there is anything in the regulations to deal with the situation; it does seem to be a drag - especially in the early rounds where there are a lot of other pairings possible. It looks like Hansen lost, so at least they didn't take a 'convenience draw'
The U.S.C.F. and CMA have rules like this for important events.
Here are the results to-date (From the FIDE site):
26 IM Hansen Eric 2472 CAN 1 ½ ½ 0 1 3.0 46 Boys (Open)
61 FM Kleinman Michael 2330 CAN 1 0 1 1 ½ 3.5 22 Boys (Open)
66 FM Thavandiran Shiyam 2301 CAN 0 ½ 1 1 0 2.5 60 Boys (Open)
79 FM Hambleton Aman 2244 CAN 0 1 ½ ½ ½ 2.5 59 Boys (Open)
122 Wu Kevin 1905 CAN 0 0 0 0 1 1.0 124 Boys (Open)
56 Kalaydina Regina Veronicka 1928 CAN 0 ½ 0 0 1 1.5 58 Girls
Pairings of the next round for CAN
Rd. Bo. No. Name Rtg Pts. Result Pts. Name Rtg No.
6 15 34 FM Schreiner Peter 2444 3½ 3½ FM Kleinman Michael 2330 61
6 22 26 IM Hansen Eric 2472 3 3 FM De Filomeno Simone 2358 53
6 30 36 IM Krysa Leandro 2438 2½ 2½ FM Thavandiran Shiyam 2301 66
6 35 56 FM Gemy Jose Daniel 2345 2½ 2½ FM Hambleton Aman 2244 79
6 62 114 Carbone Diego 2069 1 1 Wu Kevin 1905 122
6 28 42 Lefevre Margaux 2043 1½ 1½ Kalaydina Regina Veronicka 1928 56
Results of the last round for CAN
Rd. Bo. No. Name Rtg Pts. Result Pts. Name Rtg No.
5 14 61 FM Kleinman Michael 2330 3 ½ - ½ 2½ IM Andersen Mads 2464 28
5 20 66 FM Thavandiran Shiyam 2301 2½ 0 - 1 2½ FM Schreiner Peter 2444 34
5 29 72 FM Leiva Giuseppe 2283 2 0 - 1 2 IM Hansen Eric 2472 26
5 33 79 FM Hambleton Aman 2244 2 ½ - ½ 2 IM Anwesh Upadhyaya 2374 48
5 65 122 Wu Kevin 1905 0 1 - 0 0 Tsiros Fragkiskos Vlasios 1897 123
5 31 66 Psofimi Milia 1437 1 0 - 1 ½ Kalaydina Regina Veronicka 1928 56
Player details for CAN
Rd. SNo Name Rtg FED Pts. Res.
IM Hansen Eric 2472 CAN (CMA gave Eric $1,000 towards his participation in this event....an amount we owed him from a long time back that he was unable to claim before now)
Rp:2375 Pts. 3.0
1 91 Jefic Srdjan 2165 BIH 0.5 s 1
2 65 FM Codenotti Marco 2314 ITA 2.5 w ½
3 41 IM Dimitrov Radoslav 2424 BUL 3.0 s ½
4 61 FM Kleinman Michael 2330 CAN 3.5 w 0
5 72 FM Leiva Giuseppe 2283 PER 2.0 s 1
6 53 FM De Filomeno Simone 2358 ITA 3.0 w
FM Kleinman Michael 2330 CAN (CMA gave Michael $300 to play in another event this summer...his results have been amazing!)Rp:2412 Pts. 3.5
1 126 Papasimakopoulos Vasilios 1820 GRE 1.0 w 1
2 24 IM Indjic Aleksandar 2481 SRB 3.0 s 0
3 110 Vaicekauskas Gytis 2079 LTU 1.0 w 1
4 26 IM Hansen Eric 2472 CAN 3.0 s 1
5 28 IM Andersen Mads 2464 DEN 3.0 w ½
6 34 FM Schreiner Peter 2444 AUT 3.5 s
FM Thavandiran Shiyam 2301 CAN Rp:2375 Pts. 2.5
1 1 GM Ding Liren 2695 CHN 4.0 s 0
2 100 Jones William E G 2127 ENG 1.5 w ½
3 101 Papasimakopoulos Alexandros 2126 GRE 1.5 s 1
4 23 IM Shyam Nikil P 2484 IND 2.5 w 1
5 34 FM Schreiner Peter 2444 AUT 3.5 w 0
6 36 IM Krysa Leandro 2438 ARG 2.5 s
FM Hambleton Aman 2244 CAN Rp:2346 Pts. 2.5
1 14 IM Grover Sahaj 2516 IND 3.5 w 0
2 120 Zeppos Panagiotis 1978 GRE 1.5 s 1
3 44 FM Ghosh Diptayan 2417 IND 3.5 w ½
4 32 IM Bajarani Ulvi 2446 AZE 3.0 s ½
5 48 IM Anwesh Upadhyaya 2374 IND 2.5 w ½
6 56 FM Gemy Jose Daniel 2345 BOL 2.5 s
Wu Kevin 1905 CAN Rp:1891 Pts. 1.0
1 57 Stanciu Alexandru-Ovidiu 2342 ROU 2.0 s 0
2 83 Stathopoulos Ioannis 2216 GRE 3.0 w 0
3 104 Torkkola Henri 2123 FIN 2.0 s 0
4 113 Du Plessis Heinco 2075 RSA 1.5 s 0
5 123 Tsiros Fragkiskos Vlasios 1897 GRE 0.0 w 1
6 114 Carbone Diego 2069 URU 1.0 s
Kalaydina Regina Veronicka 1928 CAN Rp:1792 Pts. 1.5
1 23 WIM Sihite Chelsie Monica 2162 INA 3.0 s 0
2 37 Anusca Madalina-Maria 2079 ROU 2.0 w ½
3 35 Ibrahimova Sabina 2091 AZE 3.0 s 0
4 54 Vatkali Dimitra 1936 GRE 1.5 w 0
5 66 Psofimi Milia 1437 GRE 1.0 s 1
6 42 Lefevre Margaux 2043 FRA 1.5 s
This is why I don't like computer pairings. Surely two Canadians going all the way to Turkey shouldn't be paired with so many players at 2 points and so many other options available. Ok, so not the computer's fault - its the program. The
program could include instruction to avoid such pairings if other options are available.
I'm sure that the vast majority of Canadian chess players and organizers appreciate the excellent contribution Chess & Math does in improving Canadian junior chess. But most probably aren't aware of the immense time and effort you personally contribute to the program. You deserve a big
THANK YOU!
However, I would still like to receive feedback on my original post (repeated above).
Vlad D Toronto
This is why I don't like computer pairings. Surely two Canadians going all the way to Turkey shouldn't be paired with so many players at 2 points and so many other options available.
How many times theses two have played together before ? Only once according to my database. No big deal playing a second time. Besides, this kind of consideration is only for "tourists" without hope of being near the top. When you go to compete you meet whoever you have to and that's it. Playing a countryman once in a while is just part of the deal.
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