CCC Discusses Chess - Posts of Interest -What Is The Future Of Chess?

[Kevin Pacey]

Re: CCC Discusses Chess - Posts of Interest -What Is The Future Of Chess?

Fwiw, some Google searching I did a few minutes ago gave me the following impression about the progress of computer programs at mastering various board games (ranked in level of least proficency):

Go (19x19): a computer program exists that's ranked at 6 dan (better than most people, not players ranked 6 dan up to 9 dan professional [highest rank])

Shogi (9x9): computer programs exist at level of low ranked pros

Chinese chess: computer programs exist that give top players serious trouble

Chess: strong computer programs are rated much higher than any human

Checkers (8x8): a solved game

[Ken Craft]

Re: CCC Discusses Chess - Posts of Interest -What Is The Future Of Chess?

This thread needs to be re-titled.

[Kevin Pacey]

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There are more than a few scientists who deny climate change, I gather; there are also creation scientists (the two types don't necessarily overlap :)).

Here's one link, for those curious about (respected?!) creation scientists:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_q...rt_creationism

I know, some might ask, what has this to do with the future of chess? Well, any repectability found for creation science could put a whole different perspective on the future of everything.

[Kevin Pacey]

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The climate has been changing for ever...I rather doubt there are many that deny this! What is in dispute is how significant man's activities are in the current situation..........

How literal/picky can one get?

[edit: In case anyone else doesn't know, "climate change" (especially when followed by "denier") is universally understood to connote what Mr. Hunter describes ... that's assuming he's not trolling]

[Dan Hunter]

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There are more than a few scientists who deny climate change, I gather; there are also creation scientists (the two types don't necessarily overlap :)).

The climate has been changing for ever...I rather doubt there are many that deny this! What is in dispute is how significant man's activities are in the current situation..........

[Kevin Pacey]

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PS. I find quite ironic to see climate change denial posts on a topic about science. Will we also have the chance to see posts about how the world was created 3000 years ago? :)

There are more than a few scientists who deny climate change, I gather; there are also creation scientists (the two types don't necessarily overlap :)).

[Alan Baljeu]

Re: CCC Discusses Chess - Posts of Interest -What Is The Future Of Chess?

Ken: Maybe a quantum computer could be programmed to simultaneously look at all possible moves and congeal to an optimal line, but
A) We don't have a computer even remotely powerful enough to examine a chess game
B) We don't have a good idea how to write that program.
C) The invention of this computer will cause the collapse of civilization anyway so the question will become moot.

So it's really just a wishy-washy maybe chess could be solved in the future, who knows.

[Kerry Liles]

Re: CCC Discusses Chess - Posts of Interest -What Is The Future Of Chess?

How does this all relate to the future of chess?

About as much as anything else on Chesstalk

[Alan Baljeu]

Re: CCC Discusses Chess - Posts of Interest -What Is The Future Of Chess?

At present it's only done by live signals without storage. Data, encrypt, send, receive, decrypt, store. Based on what I just read, it's only a limited aspect of quantum cryptography, good for sending passcodes and knowing whether the code was intercepted, but not for preventing interception.

[Ken Craft]

Re: CCC Discusses Chess - Posts of Interest -What Is The Future Of Chess?

How does this all relate to the future of chess?

[Kerry Liles]

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Wikipedia :-)
Encryption doesn't require a computer though. It merely requires the creation of bits of matter in a quantum entangled state.

Encryption implies decryption too. The "bits of matter in a quantum entangled state" need to be stored somewhere too. How does that work?

[Alan Baljeu]

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Do you have any source for the claim that many banks and governments already use quantum cryptography? Or what that means, at least? I am not aware of any working quantum computers other than lab demonstrations that seem to flip "bits" from one state to another - that is rather far from a working computer.

Wikipedia :-)
Encryption doesn't require a computer though. It merely requires the creation of bits of matter in a quantum entangled state.

[Alan Baljeu]

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Many banks and governmenta already use quantum cryptography to protect their data. We must not forget that while quantum computers aren't strong enough for now, one could intercept data (which is easy) and then simply keep it until quantum computers are able to decrypt it. The decryption would probably be 10 years late, but it could still be very useful.

I'm surprised. I thought quantum cryptography wouldn't be available for a couple years, but there it is. Proves what I was saying though about it being easier than breaking conventional crytographic codes.

I expect groups are capturing and storing current data for future decoding. There is a limit to that though as the amount of data transferred exceeds the capacity to store it.

[Kerry Liles]

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Many banks and governmenta already use quantum cryptography to protect their data. We must not forget that while quantum computers aren't strong enough for now, one could intercept data (which is easy) and then simply keep it until quantum computers are able to decrypt it. The decryption would probably be 10 years late, but it could still be very useful.

PS. I find quite ironic to see climate change denial posts on a topic about science. Will we also have the chance to see posts about how the world was created 3000 years ago? :)

Do you have any source for the claim that many banks and governments already use quantum cryptography? Or what that means, at least? I am not aware of any working quantum computers other than lab demonstrations that seem to flip "bits" from one state to another - that is rather far from a working computer.

[Alan Baljeu]

Re: CCC Discusses Chess - Posts of Interest -What Is The Future Of Chess?

Alan:

Two points (without being impolite about it):
1. Here's a link re: expanding Antarctic (sea) ice:

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/ar...l-warming-over

[edit: P.S.: in the southern hemisphere, October is normally warmer than September, if anything]

2. Passwords can be obtained through espionage.

1. Forgive me, I read Arctic. You are correct.
2. True and anyone with a password doesn't need quantum technology to access a system.