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  • #16
    Re: Re : Re: New FIDE arbiter rules in 2013

    Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
    Hi Jean:

    I guess by this definition, FQE qualifies as a " national chess federation "? Just wondering....

    Bob A
    Well... at least the backbone is there!

    I think the only argument for claiming that the CFC/FQE membership/rating is useless is that the player pool is highly segregated (i.e. players in BC won't play against guys from Newfoundland very often). Even some club players play exclusively against each other (no need for a national rating then).

    I don't necessarily agree with this view, but I can see the point.

    Mathieu

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    • #17
      Re: Re : Re: New FIDE arbiter rules in 2013

      Originally posted by Mathieu Cloutier View Post
      Well... at least the backbone is there!

      I think the only argument for claiming that the CFC/FQE membership/rating is useless is that the player pool is highly segregated (i.e. players in BC won't play against guys from Newfoundland very often). Even some club players play exclusively against each other (no need for a national rating then).

      I don't necessarily agree with this view, but I can see the point.

      Mathieu
      Some (more) rated internet team/individual events would help distant and/or club rating pools mix more often, if tournament officials were at each terminal's location.
      Anything that can go wrong will go wrong.
      Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer

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      • #18
        Re: New FIDE arbiter rules in 2013

        I disagree, but it is likely that FIDE want to increase its control over national Federations like FIBA and FIFA already do.

        For example, FIDE has formally warned the USCF that beginning January 1st 2013, games not played under the FIDE Laws of Chess will not be rated . For many sports, playing under different rules could lead to penalties against the national Federations concerned and their officers.

        Originally posted by Vlad Dobrich View Post
        FIDE has an unspoken agenda to make national federations redundant. This may be either good or bad , depending on your point of view.
        Last edited by Pierre Denommee; Thursday, 25th October, 2012, 10:24 PM.

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        • #19
          Re: Re : Re: New FIDE arbiter rules in 2013

          Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
          It seems that you dont get the point Kerry. CFC ratings are not useful for FQE members because they already have the FQE rating system. You seem to be arguing that CFC services are not useful to 99% of all players. That is quite different and a statement I do not agree with. One rating system and some sort of publication are the backbones of any national chess federation.
          I see what you mean... perhaps I did take the wrong direction in my comment. I think you are correct that a National rating system and a national publication are important. It seems a lot of CFC members are at least ambivalent at best about the current magazine.

          I would like to see the CFC rating fees brought more in line with the actual cost of providing that service. The magazine should (in my view) contain Canadian content or at least content relevant to Canadians playing at home or abroad - there are enough sources of international news that the CFC cannot and should not compete against or regurgitate their content.
          ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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          • #20
            Re : Re: Re : Re: New FIDE arbiter rules in 2013

            Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
            Hi Jean:

            I guess by this definition, FQE qualifies as a " national chess federation "? Just wondering....

            Bob A
            I thought that was obvious... Even the Federal Parliament under Harper has passed a motion recognizing Quebec as a nation. Don't tell me you haven't heard of it ? :)

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            • #21
              Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: New FIDE arbiter rules in 2013

              Originally posted by Jean Hébert View Post
              I thought that was obvious... Even the Federal Parliament under Harper has passed a motion recognizing Quebec as a nation. Don't tell me you haven't heard of it ? :)
              Hi Jean:

              I wanted to make sure you had! :D

              Now you have to go to work on FIDE!!

              Bob A

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              • #22
                Re: New FIDE arbiter rules in 2013

                Originally posted by Pierre Denommee View Post
                For example, FIDE has formally warned the USCF that beginning January 1st 2013, games not played under the FIDE Laws of Chess will not be rated . For many sports, playing under different rules could lead to penalties against the national Federations concerned and their officers.
                Going back to my three fold repetition surprise, another experienced Detroit tournament director showed me a rule in the USCF rule book which indicated that FIDE rules do apply in FIDE rated events in the USCF. His contention was that the other TD's ruling was in error based on that entry in the rule book.

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                • #23
                  Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: New FIDE arbiter rules in 2013

                  Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                  Now you have to go to work on FIDE!!
                  It is not my job Bob. But I just cant understand how people can overlook how detrimental it is to a national federation to set its tune according to FIDE's goals, wishes and whims. What is true for the CFC is also true for the FQE. The less FIDE (as it is today under Kirsan I.) we have, the better off we will be.

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                  • #24
                    Re: New FIDE arbiter rules in 2013

                    Originally posted by Kerry Liles View Post
                    http://www.susanpolgar.blogspot.ca/2...s-license.html

                    All arbiters in a FIDE tournament (IA, FA, National Arbiters) must be licensed... otherwise tournament will not be rated.

                    etc
                    Enforcing certified arbiters is discouraging to those who want to have a local FIDE-rated tournament in a community that hasn't had one before. I think it makes sense for a national championship or international open with visiting GMs. But the title fee is a detriment to the CFC.

                    The majority of Canadian tournaments presently submitted to FIDE have been directed by a FIDE-titled Arbiter. There has been opportunities for TDs to learn the FIDE handbook rules. The FIDE Arbiter's seminar was offered at the recent Canadian Opens in Toronto but only a few people were interested. I took it and found most of it useful (not trying to understanding computer pairings), but the main thing I struggle with is adding increments to clocks. Participants still have to have Deputy Arbiter experience before getting their FA title. The most recent Internet-based Arbiters' Seminar is just finishing in the US.

                    International Arbiters (many inactive):
                    Barnes, Mark
                    Berry, Jonathan
                    Bevand, Larry A
                    Bond, Hal
                    Cohen, David
                    Craver, Lyle
                    Denommee, Pierre
                    Dutton, Mark S
                    Haley, Philip G.
                    Jaeger, Martin J
                    Knox N , Alexander
                    Lavin, David
                    Marghetis, Aris
                    McDonald, Patrick
                    Rekhson, Vladislav
                    Schleinich, John
                    Stringer, Evelyn

                    FIDE Arbiters:
                    Mallon, Christopher
                    Ong, Simon
                    Preotu, Rene
                    Razzaq, Ali
                    Von Keitz, Michael
                    Wright, Stephen

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                    • #25
                      Re: New FIDE arbiter rules in 2013

                      Well...


                      It sounds like we're about to enter the Dark Ages in Toronto chess, when it comes to rating events with FIDE. Certainly seems impossible to think how Hart House or Annex events will be FIDE-rated.

                      Having read the link of eligibility and requirements posted on CFC, one would have to ask:
                      When are the next scheduled "instruction" sections / tests for someone to become a regional / national whatever?
                      This comes into effect "Fall 2012" with submissions being considered January & July each year. A very serious race against time is in place to have anyone be anything by January 2013, from those who don't already have FA or IA titles.

                      Sounds to me like this cash cow is going to be pretty dry at least for the near future, taking into account all the revenue losses from non-existing events.


                      Alex Ferreira

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                      • #26
                        Re: New FIDE arbiter rules in 2013

                        This is a pyramidal scam.

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                        • #27
                          Re: New FIDE arbiter rules in 2013

                          John Schleinich passed away, I guess FIDE hasn't been notified.

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