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Whether you want to have Chess Content delivered right to the website or via the CCN, we have to remember that there is a cost.
Since the introduction of CCN authors have been paid anywhere from $50-$400 depending on the writer's title/credentials, kind of article, and bonus for especially lengthy commissioned pieces.
In this poll I'm trying to assess what you feel should be paid to authors (generally articles with games and pictures require editing time which is separate from the fees quoted here).
Since the introduction of CCN authors have been paid anywhere from $50-$400 depending on the writer's title/credentials, kind of article, and bonus for especially lengthy commissioned pieces.
Excellent! That means the CCN owes me for all the games I annotated from Ottawa tournaments over the last few years, since I haven't been paid anything for them. AFAIK the CFC does not pay for tournament reports, which may be how those annotated game scores were categorized. :(
In this poll I'm trying to assess what you feel should be paid to authors (generally articles with games and pictures require editing time which is separate from the fees quoted here).
I'm not going to vote, since my answer would depend entirely on the content. IMHO, CCN should pay $0 for annotated games from world-class events since there are plenty of free sources of those, often featuring video post-mortems by the players themselves. But CCN should pay for content which can't be found elsewhere; e.g. annotated Canadian tournament games?
Excellent! That means the CCN owes me for all the games I annotated from Ottawa tournaments over the last few years, since I haven't been paid anything for them. AFAIK the CFC does not pay for tournament reports, which may be how those annotated game scores were categorized. :(
I'm not going to vote, since my answer would depend entirely on the content. IMHO, CCN should pay $0 for annotated games from world-class events since there are plenty of free sources of those, often featuring video post-mortems by the players themselves. But CCN should pay for content which can't be found elsewhere; e.g. annotated Canadian tournament games?
I believe it works like for Echec+ : non-masters are not paid for articles, while there are standard salaries for FMs,IMs, GMs and super-GMs (per page).
A logical salary should be about 50$/page, so maybe about 150$ for an article. Of course, it depends on the strength of the writer and the number of pages.
Last edited by Felix Dumont; Wednesday, 31st October, 2012, 06:18 PM.
Excellent! That means the CCN owes me for all the games I annotated from Ottawa tournaments over the last few years, since I haven't been paid anything for them. AFAIK the CFC does not pay for tournament reports, which may be how those annotated game scores were categorized. :(
I'm not going to vote, since my answer would depend entirely on the content. IMHO, CCN should pay $0 for annotated games from world-class events since there are plenty of free sources of those, often featuring video post-mortems by the players themselves. But CCN should pay for content which can't be found elsewhere; e.g. annotated Canadian tournament games?
John, you are a strong player - if there is an article you'd like to write, simply contact Edward.
Poll asks for $/month but do you mean $/article? or $/piece? I would assume that the website needs daily fresh material.
No it's a per month budget. Obviously there can only be a limited number of "big" paid articles each month, but there could be lots of "volunteer" articles.
Pay what you like/want but there should ideally be fresh material every day. Once a month is too slow. Once a week is barely acceptable.
I check
-Chessbase.com
-ChessVibes
-ChessCafe News(for the wide variety of news links)
-ChessTalk
-Spraggett's Blog
every day as there is fresh material but Chess.ca is out of my loop.
Writers should be paid on their ability to attract readers as opposed to rating or title.
Pay what you like/want but there should ideally be fresh material every day. Once a month is too slow. Once a week is barely acceptable.
I check
-Chessbase.com
-ChessVibes
-ChessCafe News(for the wide variety of news links)
-ChessTalk
-Spraggett's Blog
every day as there is fresh material but Chess.ca is out of my loop.
Writers should be paid on their ability to attract readers as opposed to rating or title.
Those sites have International news, which of course does have daily happenings.
On a CFC site, it becomes a bit more difficult as everyone only seems interested in Canadian content.
On a CFC site, it becomes a bit more difficult as everyone only seems interested in Canadian content.
It is not difficult. Just right people at right time. Chess clubs have their webpages, provinces too. Learn RSS and feed with contents. Get one or two Jones Uppers to comment picked-up games and an upgrade for a server maybe needed to handled a traffic :D
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Writers should be paid on their ability to attract readers as opposed to rating or title.
I'm not sure exactly what you mean, Michael.
I would assume you might mean that a writer must first have at least one article published in CCN, and/or in another publication (or on a website), and then some sort of a poll by the CFC would need to be done about the attractiveness of the writer's work. However, I don't know exactly how the CFC would go about making a standard procedure for that.
Anecdotally, for instance, three class players minimum have told me they liked my CCN articles (i.e. I had Canadian content, with myself and IM, or lower, strength opponents), while they were still being published. Yet any given IM strength editor may have a different view. Sometimes, once you rise well above class player strength, you may forget about the needs and thought processes of lower rated players, even if they are the vast majority of your readership...
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
I would assume you might mean that a writer must first have at least one article published in CCN, and/or in another publication (or on a website), and then some sort of a poll by the CFC would need to be done about the attractiveness of the writer's work. However, I don't know exactly how the CFC would go about making a standard procedure for that.
Anecdotally, for instance, three class players minimum have told me they liked my CCN articles (i.e. I had Canadian content, with myself and IM, or lower, strength opponents), while they were still being published. Yet any given IM strength editor may have a different view. Sometimes, once you rise well above class player strength, you may forget about the needs and thought processes of lower rated players, even if they are the vast majority of your readership...
I mean
IM Mr. or Ms. X should not be paid less than GM Mr. or Ms Y if it's clear IM X gets more viewers than the GM
example
-I love Hans Jungs accounts of chess road trips. An article+games by him is worth as much as any GM(my opinion)
-I have a dim recollection of a fine article by you on something like 'How I become 2300' which was a great article. I don't see why you would be paid less than an IM
The rating/title is for over the board performance. CFC needs performance as a writer. Yes you are right there is no standard procedure but there is need for some flexibility.
IM Mr. or Ms. X should not be paid less than GM Mr. or Ms Y if it's clear IM X gets more viewers than the GM
example
-I love Hans Jungs accounts of chess road trips. An article+games by him is worth as much as any GM(my opinion)
-I have a dim recollection of a fine article by you on something like 'How I become 2300' which was a great article. I don't see why you would be paid less than an IM
The rating/title is for over the board performance. CFC needs performance as a writer. Yes you are right there is no standard procedure but there is need for some flexibility.
An admittedly imperfect standard procedure might simply involve a feedback poll/questionnaire by the CFC after any fixed number of CCN issues (its not exactly perfect if only because not everyone will respond, and only work done by current authors within CCN would be asked about).
My old Becoming a 2300 player article for En Passant was written back in the 1980s, when the path I took was still relatively fresh in my mind. I still think it took me more work than any talent I might have had. A modern version of such an article would need to take into account using computers and the internet (Dan Scoones once wrote on chesstalk he felt similarly about updating a fine article he wrote long ago about selecting an opening repertoire, as he felt it could be applicable in Canada).
My memory of how I became a 2300 player is a little foggy, especially as I don't have a copy of the article, nor do I have many of the books I used at least a little bit, but I do still seem to have the ability to ask myself many questions about chess that I would if I were still a class player - indeed, it can be helpful when playing to at times look at a position 'through the eyes of a patzer', as someone strong once put it. :)
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
My old Becoming a 2300 player article for En Passant was written back in the 1980s, when the path I took was still relatively fresh in my mind. I still think it took me more work than any talent I might have had. A modern version of such an article ...
Your modern version could be 'How I stayed 2300...'
Your modern version could be 'How I stayed 2300...'
I'll think about writing it, if I get back to 2300. :(
A better version might be about how I stayed above 2200 (regular CFC). I haven't dipped below that level for some years. I briefly made 2400+, for four consecutive rating sessions, at age 49, which was at about what some may consider the leading edge of my chess twilight years.
A rating boon by the CFC every few decades helps, even if it produces a slight inflation of members' ratings, if only for improving overall CFC customer relations (it would in my opinion, and in that of at least two previous CFC presidents).
Last edited by Kevin Pacey; Thursday, 1st November, 2012, 11:57 AM.
Reason: Grammar
Anything that can go wrong will go wrong. Murphy's law, by Edward A. Murphy Jr., USAF, Aerospace Engineer
Whether you want to have Chess Content delivered right to the website or via the CCN, we have to remember that there is a cost.
Since the introduction of CCN authors have been paid anywhere from $50-$400 depending on the writer's title/credentials, kind of article, and bonus for especially lengthy commissioned pieces.
In this poll I'm trying to assess what you feel should be paid to authors (generally articles with games and pictures require editing time which is separate from the fees quoted here).
In the "real world" a politician who would admit making decisions based on polls, would soon be the laughing stock of the media and people alike, even though these polls would be made scientifically in state of the art fashion. Now when I see CFC people launching ill-conceived polls left and right apparently to decide what to do, I can only shake my head.
Don't you know what you are doing ? Do you have beliefs and convictions of your own or not ? Do you know something about how to promote chess or not ? If you don't, seek advice from specialists and knowledgeable people. That is what smart politicians do. Trying to find the "right" ideas from a handfull of opinions on a message board cannot lead anywhere. You are likely this way to hear all kinds of contradicting opinions which in the end may only be used as justifications for doing what you believe in anyway.
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