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  • Re: Climate Change - Global Warming

    From Scenes from a Melting Planet: On the Climate-Change Novel by Carolyn Kormann in The New Yorker, July 3, 2013

    See http://www.newyorker.com/online/blog...ng-planet.html

    “We don’t have time for a meeting of the Flat Earth Society,” President Obama said last week as he outlined his climate-change plan. The gibe was widely tweeted and repeated, the message clear: when it comes to global warming, Obama won’t tolerate any more anti-science bunk. He will direct the Environmental Protection Agency to limit greenhouse-gas emissions from power plants, adapt the country’s infrastructure to protect against extreme weather, and use federal funds to increase renewable-energy production.

    To justify all this, the President cited recent national disasters, like Hurricane Sandy, the worst wildfires in recorded history, and the most severe droughts since the Dust Bowl. He even mentioned a long-running drought that has “forced a town to truck in water from the outside.”

    That town is Spicewood Beach, a subdivision in the hill country outside of Austin, Texas. In February, 2012, according to the Times, the town’s well ran dry. Four thousand gallons of water still have to be hauled in many times a day.

    Of course, no single weather event can be linked to the increased concentration of human-produced greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. And yet the increased frequency of extreme weather is a scientifically proven result of those gases. In the past month alone, floods in Canada killed four people and forced seventy-five thousand to evacuate Calgary; floods in central Europe killed eighteen; and floods in India killed a thousand. The drought in Spicewood Beach is, by comparison, mundane. Still, it is an example of an inconvenient, costly impact of climate change. And, unlike mass death and trauma, it’s a story that we can picture.
    Last edited by Wayne Komer; Thursday, 4th July, 2013, 12:59 PM.

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    • Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

      A convert:http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitche...486494?cmp=rss

      Bob A ;)

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      • Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

        A tweet about the world winter: "Saying global warming isn't real b/c it's cold, is like saying the sun isn't real b/c it's dark!"

        Bob A

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        • Re: Climate Change : Obama is Concerned

          Originally posted by Paul Beckwith View Post
          "For the record; I do not think that any sea ice will survive this summer. An event unprecedented in human history is today, this very moment, transpiring in the Arctic Ocean. The cracks in the sea ice that I reported on my Sierra Club Canada blog and elsewhere over the last several days have spread and at this moment the entire sea ice sheet (or about 99% of it) covering the Arctic Ocean is on the move. Clockwise. The ice is thin, and slushy, and breaking apart. This is abrupt climate change in real-time. Humans have benefited greatly from a stable climate for the last 11,000 years or roughly 400 generations. Not any more. We now face an angry climate. One that we have poked in the eye with our fossil fuel stick and awakened. And now we must deal with the consequences. We must set aside our differences and prepare for what we can no longer avoid. And that is massive disruption to our civilizations." - Paul Beckwith, March 18, 2013

          NASA video released March 22,2013
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=9YWX7ChjtxY

          Also for the record, around last August, just after the massive cyclone chewed up the sea ice from Aug 2 to 10th, 2012 I predicted that sea ice would be gone by the end of September, and I was of course wrong; there were not followup cyclones strong enough to finish off the ice. And I may be wrong again. However my case is much stronger this year...
          .....and with the northern ice gone, what happens to the polar bears?

          Everyone talks but no one does anything about it!
          Here’s a way to solve two eco-problems at the same time.
          Take a colony of the endangered polar bears and transplant them to Antarctica.
          The bears will thrive by eating penguins. The penguins are mostly black and
          Thus absorb sunlight and together with their body heat, they warm their environs.
          So, with fewer black penguins and more healthy white bears, Antarctica will begin
          To cool again.
          Problem solved!


          To make a donation to the 'Save the Bears Fund' contact Vlad Dobrich.

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          • Glaciers: Anthropogenic Climate Change (ACC)

            Anthropogenic Climate Change (ACC) - Glaciers

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eOFYAg_DPw

            [NOTE: This is a post by Bob Gillanders, from the Anthropogenic Planetary Destruction (APD) thread, where it was answering a prior post. It also needs to be here, since it is clearly material for the ACC thread.]

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            • Extreme Temperature Drops: Anthropogenic Climate Change (ACC)

              Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
              Although I am not a great contributor to this thread, I faithfully do read it. The 2nd version of this thread started by Gary Ruben is now too unwieldy, and takes very long to load to see new posts. There was some discussion in it about starting a new thread , but no one of the regulars took the bull by the horns and did it. I like following this thread, and am tired of the loading time.

              So would everyone mind now using this new 3rd version of the climate change discussion?

              Thanks. Hope this is OK with everyone.

              Bob A
              Extreme Temperature Drops: https://twitter.com/DaveThroupEA/sta...928384/photo/1

              Bob A

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              • Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

                Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                A tweet about the world winter: "Saying global warming isn't real b/c it's cold, is like saying the sun isn't real b/c it's dark!"

                Bob A
                I look forward to the warmists applying the same discipline to their musings on the latest weather event but will not hold my breath.

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                • Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

                  I found this study from Drexel University about "dark money" funding the climate change denial groups interesting:

                  http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-denial-effort

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                  • Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

                    Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
                    I found this study from Drexel University about "dark money" funding the climate change denial groups interesting:

                    http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...-denial-effort
                    Dark money is just the donor's way to avoid IRS audits under the Obama IRS's well known penchant for harassing conservative groups and their donors. It could also be a way for dissident climate scientists who disagree with the "consensus" to fund these groups as the consequences for their careers are a series of targeted attacks which seek to separate them from their livelihoods as seen in the climategate emails.

                    What I find more interesting is the way the anti-oilsands campaigns and so called environmental groups are getting funded by some strange bedfellows ie OPEC and in the case of the Canadian Sierra Club Matty Maroun owner of the Ambassador Bridge. Of course those attack dogs *cough* environmental groups are *cough* entirely objective when they turn around and attack the donors rivals while turning a blind eye to their donors spotty record on the same issues.

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                    • Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

                      Vlad, maybe there is one issue we can agree upon.

                      Do you agree that foods containing GMO's (genetically modified organisms) should be labelled in our grocery stores?

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                      • Anthropogenic Climate Change - GMOs

                        Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
                        [Should] ... foods containing GMO's (genetically modified organisms) ... be labelled in our grocery stores?
                        You're probably going to get dead silence from the market idolaters. It's impossible to square the circle by claiming to be for choice (let the invisible hand decide) in theory while being opposed to it in practice. But any theory that becomes dogma is just more ideology anyway.

                        The food industry supports the current regime, which they created, in which labeling is "voluntary". And they voluntarily choose not to label their GMO products.

                        P.S. - I have changed the thread title and made note of that in the title.
                        Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; Saturday, 18th January, 2014, 09:34 PM.
                        Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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                        • Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

                          Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
                          Vlad, maybe there is one issue we can agree upon.

                          Do you agree that foods containing GMO's (genetically modified organisms) should be labelled in our grocery stores?
                          Yes, I agree that they should be labelled.

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                          • Re: Climate Change ( 3rd Version ) - Assertion & Denial

                            Shameless plug: http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2014/0...lobal-warming/

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                            • International APD Report (# 14-3) Climate Change

                              International APD Report

                              Anthropogenic (Human-Caused) Planetary Destruction

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                              Issue # 14-3 – February 10, 2014

                              Hi Newsletter Subscribers:

                              Climate Change

                              Precipitation Extremes

                              Drought

                              # 14/14 – 14/2/2
                              Utah/Nevada, USA: Religious leaders, farmers pray for water in Western USA: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/relig...ray-water-west

                              # 6/14 – California, USA

                              # 6D/14 – 14/2/1
                              California drought means agency won't allot water; America's the most populous state faces severe drought after 3 years of below-normal precipitation: http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/califor...519927?cmp=rss

                              # 6C/14 – 14/1/31
                              California Drought Prompts Unprecedented Water Conservation Efforts: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...tml?ref=topbar

                              # 6B/14 – 14/1/31
                              California May Have Hit Its Driest Point In 500 Years, And The Effects Are Frightening: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...usaolp00000003

                              # 6A/14 – 14/1/23
                              California Rainfall: “Yosemite Falls: now a trickle too small to see. If you visit, send postcards instead of photos to show the water.” Canadian climate change expert Paul Beckwith
                              “That brings it home, as well as the video about the state's horses. 1 inch of rain in 6 months in LA!!” – Robin Westenra.
                              http://www.nps.gov/yose/photosmultimedia/webcams.htm .

                              # 11/14 – 14/1/21
                              China: lake dries up! : http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-drought.html

                              Flooding

                              # 18/14 – 14/2/7
                              Floods Kill 38 in Bolivia; Parts of Brazil See Worst Drought in 50 Years: http://www.democracynow.org/2014/2/7/headlines#277

                              # 17/14 – 14/2/6
                              UK Government announces extra £30m for flood repairs: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-26061795#TWEET1036169

                              # 12/14 – 14/2/2
                              England: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/env...ters-rise.html

                              Snow & Ice Storms

                              # 20 – 14/2/8-9
                              Tokyo hit by rare heavy snowfall; 13 dead; trains delayed: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/tokyo...trains-delayed (videos: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...click=dlvr.it; http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...&click=dlvr.it )

                              # 15/14 – 14/2/5
                              Heaviest snow in 50 years blankets most of Iran: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/02...blankets-iran/


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                              • Re: International APD Report (# 14-3) Climate Change

                                Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
                                International APD Report

                                Anthropogenic (Human-Caused) Planetary Destruction

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                                Issue # 14-3 – February 10, 2014

                                Hi Newsletter Subscribers:


                                Published by: International Anthropogenic Planetary Destruction Clearing House;
                                Coordinator: Bob Armstrong
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