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The Women’s Chess System – Finally Time to Abolish It?
The two **founding** nations?? By any chance are you referring to the Western Europeans who lied, cheated, murdered, raped & pillaged their way across the North American continent?
Tom is obviously being sarcastic here... Do you need someone to explain the joke to you?
Tangentially, I'll add the comment that Yuanling seldom participated in girls only events. Perhaps that is one of the reasons she became the top ranked female in Canada.
I think this is what sped up her development as well. She actually had to aim higher in open tournaments to get anywhere whereas if she stayed in women's only sections, I doubt she would ever reach 2200 anywhere.
The issue is whether this plan will in fact end up helping women develop in chess more than the current, failing separate parallel women's system. Playing in the open system will actually speed up their improvement, because they will be spending less time playing in weak women's sections, where numbers of games are against low-rated women, which will contribute little to advancement ( and give them a false sense of confidence in their game ).
Bob A
Bob, you posted exactly what I was thinking of as well. When girls play women only tournaments their ambition is so limited and most of them are satisfied with just getting first or 2nd in those sections. If they actually played open tournaments, they would have to aim for so much higher. I believe in the idea that to get anywhere in life and/or chess, you have to aim for a slightly higher realistic goal in the short-term and aim for something ambitious in the long-term. If we have girls aiming to just be 2100 long-term to play on the Olympiad team, most of them are going to fade out long before they get to that level.
Since we are all for equality and we want to protect the weak, how about CFC events for people of the two founding nations only? I mean in Canada most English/French people are very weak at chess, especially compared to people of Asian and Eastern European origin. For proof: take a look at the names on the list of WYCC entries from Canada this year. Not a Jones or Dubois in the lot.
The two **founding** nations?? By any chance are you referring to the Western Europeans who lied, cheated, murdered, raped & pillaged their way across the North American continent?
You've overlooked Yuanling Yuan, Aman. She has a current FIDE rating of 2220.
Tangentially, I'll add the comment that Yuanling seldom participated in girls only events. Perhaps that is one of the reasons she became the top ranked female in Canada.
I said there was only one currently active female Canadian who ever had a FIDE rating over 2050.
If Yuanling is not on the FIDE list of currently active female Canadians, then she is currently inactive. What am I missing?
If she's active in the US league, you should quote the rating adjusted from those tournaments. If she's active in FIDE, you should quote her FIDE rating. She hasn't played a FIDE rated game for two years now.
I don't expect that her rating will drop below 2100 after her first tournament after 2 years of absent :D
There is only one woman (currently active) who has ever had a FIDE rating over 2050 in Canada, and that is Natalia. As a country, this is unimpressive to say the least.
You've overlooked Yuanling Yuan, Aman. She has a current FIDE rating of 2220.
Tangentially, I'll add the comment that Yuanling seldom participated in girls only events. Perhaps that is one of the reasons she became the top ranked female in Canada.
Yuanling Yuan is active too (not on the FIDE rating list but at the US league). Rating 2220.
If she's active in the US league, you should quote the rating adjusted from those tournaments. If she's active in FIDE, you should quote her FIDE rating. She hasn't played a FIDE rated game for two years now.
When I say "(currently active)" I mean currently active in the rating system I'm quoting statistics from.
Last edited by Aman Hambleton; Wednesday, 7 November, 2012, 03:23 PM.
Reason: a bit too obvious
There is only one woman (currently active) who has ever had a FIDE rating over 2050 in Canada, and that is Natalia. As a country, this is unimpressive to say the least.
Yuanling Yuan is active too (not on the FIDE rating list but at the US league). Rating 2220.
There is only one woman (currently active) who has ever had a FIDE rating over 2050 in Canada, and that is Natalia. As a country, this is unimpressive to say the least.
The issue is whether this plan will in fact end up helping women develop in chess more than the current, failing separate parallel women's system. Playing in the open system will actually speed up their improvement, because they will be spending less time playing in weak women's sections
There are so little women tournaments in Canada, there is no wasting time.
Or has the women's system in fact retarded the chess development of women. I would note that the one woman in the top hundred referred to by ChessBase is the highest-rated woman chess player ever, Judit Polgar....and she has forever, since starting playing, refused to play in the separate, parallel women's chess system, and she is history's most successful woman player!! Coincidence??
Bob A
Let's not forget Vera Menchik. She was very successful when a bomb hit her house in 1944 killing her at age 38. Euwe lost to her twice.
The issue is not to restraint the freedom of organizers by prohibiting them from running Women's Tournaments.
The issue is to stop the formal chess infrastructure and organizations from providing the framework - separate women's rating lists eliminated ( including for junior girls; also like the Toronto Women's Championship sponsored by the GTCL - by the way, look at the participant's ratings ); Can. chess organizations sponsoring of separate tournaments stopped ( eg. The Canadian Women's Closed ; stop awarding girls titles - U 8 Can. Girls Champion; etc. )
The issue is whether this plan will in fact end up helping women develop in chess more than the current, failing separate parallel women's system.
Bob A
Quite simply, it would either force women to become stronger chess players or they would all stop playing because they'd never win a prize, represent their country, nor be a world champion.
BTW: if the male & female FIDE rating lists for Canada were combined (active players) then the lists would be identical except for the addition of Natalia Khoudgarian.
There is only one woman (currently active) who has ever had a FIDE rating over 2050 in Canada, and that is Natalia. As a country, this is unimpressive to say the least.
Re: The Women’s Chess System – Finally Time to Abolish It?
Hi Egis:
The issue is not to restraint the freedom of organizers by prohibiting them from running Women's Tournaments.
The issue is to stop the formal chess infrastructure and organizations from providing the framework - separate women's rating lists eliminated ( including for junior girls ); Can. chess organizations sponsoring of separate tournaments stopped ( eg. The Canadian Women's Closed sponsored by the CFC ; stop awarding girls titles - eg. U 8 Can. Girls Champion; also, like the Toronto Women's Championship sponsored by the GTCL - by the way, look at the participant's ratings; etc. )
The issue is whether this plan will in fact end up helping women develop in chess more than the current, failing separate parallel women's system. Playing in the open system will actually speed up their improvement, because they will be spending less time playing in weak women's sections, where numbers of games are against low-rated women, which will contribute little to advancement ( and give them a false sense of confidence in their game ).
Bob A
Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Wednesday, 7 November, 2012, 02:46 PM.
Judit Polgar....and she has forever, since starting playing, refused to play in the separate, parallel women's chess system, and she is history's most successful woman player!!
Myth for "forever". She played in the 1990 Women Olympiad.
2) If the best argument you have is talk about washrooms then I see discussion is pointless. Bye.
"Finally Time to Abolish It?" - the title is pointless too. While there are men who design dresses and shoes for women, there are organizers who run women chess. Will you start legal actions against them? ;)
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