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Readers have come back and given Edward Lasker vs Sir George Thomas (1911) and Richard Reti vs Alexander Alekhine (1925) as just as good or better.
Now let’s see, what were those games of Morphy and Marshall that had spectacular combinations? Oh, you know, the one at the Italian Opera House in Paris and the one with the gold coins thrown on the board.
When I was writing this post, I had a vague recollection of an immortal correspondence game. Looking for it online this evening, I came across N. Johannson-Tegelman vs R. Rey Adid 1933 plus a host of other “immortal games”. I think it is perhaps too early to say that Nakamura has played his immortal game yet:
In October 1985 the Swedish postal authorities released a special 3-kroner stamp, which featured the final mating position of the "Immortal" Correspondence Chess game between Arvid Sundin and Erik Andersson, played in the ICCF WT/M/974 tournament in 1964-65. At the end of the game, Andersson has a queen and a rook more than Sundin, but is about to be mated by a rook and knight combination.
Now that is more like it. If they issue a stamp with your game position on it, then you are in the running for an “immortal” game!
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
In a March, 2011 lecture at the Annex Chess Club, Toronto, chess historian David Cohen discussed the most famous game in Canadian chess history.
At least one of the participants had to be Canadian. The event had to be memorable, like an Olympiad.
David chose D. A. Yanofsky vs A. Dulanto, Canada – Peru, 8th Olympiad, Preliminaries, Buenos Aires, 1939. An impressive win by a 14-year old that attracted the attention of Alekhine.
P. Charbonneau vs V. Anand, Turin Olympiad, 2006
D. A. Yanofsky vs M. Botvinnik, Groningen, 1946
M. Bluvshtein vs V. Topalov, Khanty-Mansiysk Olympiad, 2010
K. Spraggett vs B. Spassky, Montpellier Candidates, 1985
Actually, a responder to the post just mentioned a Spraggett game from The Candidates (1985, 1988). I chose the Spassky one.
All are memorable games. I think we would need a longer list of aspirant games on the ballot if we were to vote for the “best” one or “the immortal”.
How about Mark Bluvshtein's win with the Petroff vs Shirov?
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
I have jotted down some irreverent notes on criteria for memorable/immortal games.
1. One player must be Canadian and the younger the better. I mean, who doesn’t love a prodigy? A rising master 13-years old beating someone at least twice his age is pure gold. See D. Byrne vs R. Fischer, Third Rosenwald, 1956.
2. The opponent should be strong and preferably titled. World champions are the best, especially those with last names beginning with the letter K.
3. The game should be won or drawn by the Canadian. Who wants to lose an immortal?
4. The game should have received some publicity. Those produced from nowhere will quickly be found by Edward Winter to be contrived and you will never hear the end of it.
5. There should be a spectacular, mostly sound combination or some remarkable feature, that would make the spectators stand up as one man and cheer (if that were allowed).
6. The opening variation should have been prepared in secret by the winner and left to lie in the bottom of a drawer until the right opponent came along. For example, the gambit Marshall played against Capablanca in New York, 1918.
7. It should be anecdotal. For example, the game Robert Byrne vs R. Fischer, New York 1963. The commentators were saying that Byrne had won the game, when he came away from the board and told them that he had resigned.*
8. The game should be played in an exotic location like an opera box or at an international event like an Olympiad. Spas are good too.
These points are necessary but not sufficient. Have I missed anything here?
BTW, you might want to rename this thread if you want more suggestions for a Canadian "immortal".
I have thought of renaming it. The thread turned from Polish Immortal to Canadian Immortal with the seventh posting in this thread.
Is it possible to change the title to A Canadian Immortal Game? with that seventh posting or does the whole correspondence get the new name? A quick scanning of FAQ doesn’t seem to give me a way of accomplishing the change.
I’d love to see a long list of readers’ nominations for possible candidates
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