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  • #46
    Re: Top money earners in chess

    Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
    What? 12.5% rate on a mortgage? ouch. I have never paid anything close to that.
    One year they were a bit higher than 20%. That was somewhere around August of 1981.

    http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-conten...cal_page52.pdf

    The 5 year were as bad.

    http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-conten...cal_page53.pdf
    Gary Ruben
    CC - IA and SIM

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    • #47
      Re: Top money earners in chess

      Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
      They are still getting richer on the money from the renters. In any case, you don't know the percentage of the holdings in the pension funds. Maybe it's small and maybe it's not.

      I thought most of the rich had left. Maybe that's why I have a hard time finding goods Made in Canada.
      True I haven't looked up the exact percentage but financial theories and the practises of portfolio diversification would suggest to me that pension funds do not hold very much of any one stock or of any one investment vehicle. Unlike individual investors they do not get bullish on something and then invest heavily in it. Besides the fact that these funds are run by professionals there is also legislation requiring a certain level of diversification and a limit to the risk.

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      • #48
        Re: Top money earners in chess

        Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
        What? 12.5% rate on a mortgage? ouch. I have never paid anything close to that.
        You must not have owned a home in the 90's. When did you get your first mortgage?

        Here's a historical table from the bank of Canada. Notice the rates in the 1980's, 90/91 and in 1995. http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-conten...cal_page52.pdf

        So I would suggest that a better policy than Tom's 40% downpayment would be to make extra payments on your mortgage before rates go up sometime in the future. This is especially effective because most of the payment initially goes to interest. You can calculate what the payments would be at say 10% and make payments as if that was the rate. That will get you in the habit of making that amount of payment if rates do go up.
        Last edited by Zeljko Kitich; Monday, 11th February, 2013, 09:12 AM.

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        • #49
          Re: Top money earners in chess

          Originally posted by Zeljko Kitich View Post
          You must not have owned a home in the 90's. When did you get your first mortgage?
          I had just bought my first home in 1978. I recollect the 15-20% mortgages were in the early 80's, no??

          Bob A

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          • #50
            Re: Top money earners in chess

            Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
            I had just bought my first home in 1978. I recollect the 15-20% mortgages were in the early 80's, no??

            Bob A
            Yes according to the table I posted http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-conten...cal_page52.pdf

            The highest seems to be 1981/1982 but 10 to 12% was normal throughout the 80's. And in 1995 the rate did go up again to 10%.

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            • #51
              Re: Top money earners in chess

              Originally posted by Zeljko Kitich View Post
              Yes according to the table I posted http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-conten...cal_page52.pdf

              The highest seems to be 1981/1982 but 10 to 12% was normal throughout the 80's. And in 1995 the rate did go up again to 10%.
              What were prices for average homes in Toronto and GTA in that time? or maybe: What was a monthly payment in percentage of the monthly family income for an average house.

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              • #52
                Re: Top money earners in chess

                Originally posted by Egidijus Zeromskis View Post
                What were prices for average homes in Toronto and GTA in that time? or maybe: What was a monthly payment in percentage of the monthly family income for an average house.
                Probably the same as today because you have to factor in that the purchasing power of a dollar was more back then. So a house costing $200,000 does not sound like much today but $200,000 is the equivalent of a much larger figure if brought up to today's dollars. People were complaining about their mortgage payments when interest was high believe you me.

                Anyway to answer that question fully would require a lot of research that I'm not inclined to do right now. Maybe if you go to the CMHC site they might have a study already done on it or maybe not.

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                • #53
                  Re: Top money earners in chess

                  Originally posted by Zeljko Kitich View Post
                  Yes according to the table I posted http://www.bankofcanada.ca/wp-conten...cal_page52.pdf

                  The highest seems to be 1981/1982 but 10 to 12% was normal throughout the 80's. And in 1995 the rate did go up again to 10%.
                  In late 1980 a fellow that worked for me had to renew his mortgage - I recall him being relatively ecstatic about getting a 5-year for 17% (!) and then a couple of years later regretting the long term and paying (wisely) to get out of it. When we had a mortgage, my wife and I generally went with 6 month or occasionally 1 year deals - I think in almost every case, the bank/credit union whatever would waive the usual stupid renewal fees (or we would switch to another bank usually on the back of a 'switch for free' promotion). We managed to get some very good rates along the way.
                  ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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                  • #54
                    Re: Top money earners in chess

                    Originally posted by Zeljko Kitich View Post
                    True I haven't looked up the exact percentage but financial theories and the practises of portfolio diversification would suggest to me that pension funds do not hold very much of any one stock or of any one investment vehicle. Unlike individual investors they do not get bullish on something and then invest heavily in it. Besides the fact that these funds are run by professionals there is also legislation requiring a certain level of diversification and a limit to the risk.
                    This has now become degrees. Since so many own some percentage it becomes a case of who you think is getting rich to some degree.

                    If these properties are so wonderful why do you suppose they are being sold to REITS?
                    Gary Ruben
                    CC - IA and SIM

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