Bob Armstrong's CCC

[Bob Armstrong]

Re: Bob Armstrong's CCC

All of the above because your organization considered this possibility and drafted a policy which does include all of the above? Or all of the above because that is your answer now that I've asked the question? And if it's the latter shouldn't you consult your members and supporters before giving an answer on policy like that? And who would they have to persuade? The 4 members only (what would you do in the case of a tie vote?) or the 4 members and other 14 supporters? How would that vote or decision take place? When's the last time the membership voted on anything?

Consultation - We do not have a formal policy on "Consultation". But the constitution of the CCC, adopted April 20, 2012, sets out the rights and responsibilities of "members", " supporters", and board "Likes". And we have always openly sought out input. I have not stated a "policy on consultation". I have stated the CCC practice of consultation. If we were to develop a "policy", it would be discussed, input sought, and then voted on by the 4 members.

"Membership" - As I have already posted, the 4 members decide CCC matters. But they do seek "supporter", "Like" and public input. We have a standing invitation on our FB chess discussion board for people to consider joining CCC as "members" or "supporters". "Supporters" do not have a vote - they have a standing invitation to become members, and get the vote.

CCC Voting - as I have posted elsewhere, each of the 4 members has an equal vote. Though I am Coordinator, I have no second tie-breaking vote. I just have one equal vote, like the other 3. Tie-votes fail - and this has in fact happened (and I had been one of the ones supporting the motion).

Last Vote - Last month CCC by unanimous vote adopted a policy called "The One Meeting Strategy". And it has acted on this policy both last month and this month.

Bob A

[Bob Armstrong]

Re: Bob Armstrong's CCC

...the facebook group. 650 members and most posts are general chess discussion, not to do with CCC specifics.

Our FB board is a general chess discussion board - current events, history, chess administration and politics, playing chess, etc. CCC strives to be the most active and interesting chess discussion page on Facebook.

When CCC wishes to float an idea for input, then a post is made by me as Coordinator, or sometimes by one of the individual members, usually first on the CCC FB discussion board. Our 650 members are from all countries in the world, and so the potential is there for very interesting debate.

Bob A

[Bindi Cheng]

Re: Bob Armstrong's CCC

Jerry, I don't understand why you have to be such a prick with all this. Bob clearly enjoys chess and likes writing about it and so he created the organization as a personal project of sorts. Sure, some of his ideas are radical and even extreme but I see no harm in his proposals as there's little chance it will be implemented at all (sorry Bob). I don't know if you have any personal problems or unresolved issues but verbally berating others online will not solve any of them. Quit being such an asshole.

[Gary Ruben]

Re: Bob Armstrong's CCC

I'm curios to know is there anyone active in the CCC besides Bob Armstrong?

I'm the only member of the Inner Galactic Chess Federation. There have been no membership applications.

[Kevin Pacey]

Re: Bob Armstrong's CCC

I'm the only member of the Inner Galactic Chess Federation. There have been no membership applications.

I didn't know there were any applications being invited.

Maybe you might compose a mission statement for your Federation sometime, along with a membership application format to use. :)

[Zeljko Kitich]

Re: Bob Armstrong's CCC

Jerry, I don't understand why you have to be such a prick with all this. Bob clearly enjoys chess and likes writing about it and so he created the organization as a personal project of sorts. Sure, some of his ideas are radical and even extreme but I see no harm in his proposals as there's little chance it will be implemented at all (sorry Bob). I don't know if you have any personal problems or unresolved issues but verbally berating others online will not solve any of them. Quit being such an asshole.

Now that's the Bindi I know. Glad to see you're back in regular form. I was worried before when I apparently inadvertently appeared to hurt your feelings before.

Oh and you know that part about being an asshole. Tell that to Kevin Spragget next time you see him because he is the one who first brought up the issue that the CCC is just Bob Armstrong. I agree with Spragget. There is no need for Bob to be passing his own views off with group window dressing. If it's Bob's views he is certainly welcome to make his points without giving them the gravitas of a whole group of fine minds having come up with them. I mean everyone is allowed to have a hobby. I'm sure he started out decently enough. He approached people to join, started it off and then even sent us emails telling us he'd had no input and urging us to send in our suggestions. I just think when he continued to get no input he didn't want to give up the group and so continued on as if it was an actual functioning organization and not at all what you rightly point it out to be: Bob Armstrong sitting at a computer typing out long proposals that have little hope of ever being adopted.

And just so you really know things are back to normal between us - stop being a sickening dickhead Bindi, you old worn out asshole you.... I could go on but do I really need to? :D:D

By the way, do you not let TDs know in advance that you want a bye? Or do you make all of them go looking for you at the last minute to see if you showed up? Which apparently you've done before judging by the number of shrugging shoulders when the question of whether you would show up at all later was brought up. Now that takes a real idiot.

[Gary Ruben]

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I didn't know there were any applications being invited.

Maybe you might compose a mission statement for your Federation sometime, along with a membership application format to use. :)

That sounds like a lot of work. I wonder if it qualifies for charity status. :)

[Zeljko Kitich]

Re: Bob Armstrong's CCC

I'm the only member of the Inner Galactic Chess Federation. There have been no membership applications.

Yeah well duh, if there were they would take lightyears to get there when you send them out, wouldn't they? :D:D

[Bob Gillanders]

Re: Bob Armstrong's CCC

There is no need for Bob to be passing his own views off with group window dressing. If it's Bob's views he is certainly welcome to make his points without giving them the gravitas of a whole group of fine minds having come up with them.

What is your problem? Bob Armstrong has always been very transparent and honest about the size of the organization he runs. Be it the CCC, or its processors. In fact he often makes the point that a small group of determined individuals can make a difference, and he has proven that with motions he has brought before the governors.

In contrast, it is you Mr. Kitich who seems to be speaking with a single voice. How's that going for you?

[Zeljko Kitich]

Re: Bob Armstrong's CCC

What is your problem? Bob Armstrong has always been very transparent and honest about the size of the organization he runs. Be it the CCC, or its processors. In fact he often makes the point that a small group of determined individuals can make a difference, and he has proven that with motions he has brought before the governors.

In contrast, it is you Mr. Kitich who seems to be speaking with a single voice. How's that going for you?

Working great for me Mr Gillanders. I don't have to pretend. Makes the paperwork a lot easier. When I speak I don't claim I speak for many. I speak for myself. Never had to claim otherwise.

My problem is the same problem Kevin Spragget has with it. Or should we all just pretend CCC is more than just Bob Armstrong? My problem is that Mr Armstrong is passing off his tinkering with Canadian chess, including his rather interesting shall we say proposals on women's chess, as the products of an active organization of concerned chess players, when it is obviously not. They are his views. Let's call it like it is. No charades. He's entitled to his own opinion. He's just not entitled to pass them off as being a grassroots movement of the many.

[Felix Dumont]

Re : Bob Armstrong's CCC

I've rarely seen someone trying that much to pick a fight with everybody.

If you have personal problems, fine, but stop making the fool on the discussion board...

[Zeljko Kitich]

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I've rarely seen someone trying that much to pick a fight with everybody.

If you have personal problems, fine, but stop making the fool on the discussion board...

Have you read Spragget's blog? Apparently not. And apparently asking you for details of a survey you took is tantamount to 'picking a fight'. Asking Bob who is behind the organization he claims is behind the proposals he is making is also tantamount to the same thing? Especially when you and Bob are using your secret survey and his non-existent organization to make claims about what women chess players want in Canada for themselves. Prove it I say.

You, Bob Armstrong and Bindi Cheng are not everybody, I hate to tell you.

I'm not that worried about making the opinion of me with you on the discussion board. If you have your own agenda fine but don't play the fool on the discussion board by pretending.

[Bob Armstrong]

Re: Bob Armstrong's CCC

Hi Jerry:

On your poll:

One of the voting categories is:

Yes I am a member of CCC but do not participate to any meaningful extent. - 1

That vote is fraudulent. It is not cast by one of the 4 CCC "members".

It may be that your poll is somewhat confusing, because Facebook calls the "Likes" on the CCC FB discussion board, "members" of the page, which is different than "members" of the CCC itself.

Bob A

[Zeljko Kitich]

Re: Bob Armstrong's CCC

Hi Jerry:

On your poll:

One of the voting categories is:

Yes I am a member of CCC but do not participate to any meaningful extent. - 1

That vote is fraudulent. It is not cast by one of the 4 CCC "members".

It may be that your poll is somewhat confusing, because Facebook calls the "Likes" on the CCC FB discussion board, "members" of the page, which is different than "members" of the CCC itself.

Bob A

I'm not claiming that it was Bob. As we all should know none of the polls on here are scientific. Unlike Felix I know the difference between a real poll and not a real poll. I also don't keep poll results secret or make claims they can't support. Don't be so defensive.

I wouldn't be so hasty to call it fraudulent though. Fraudulent is an accusation of a deliberate attempt to deceive is it not? It is just possible that someone that thinks they are on your membership list voted this way in the poll, or someone ticked the wrong spot.

[Kevin Pacey]

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That sounds like a lot of work. I wonder if it qualifies for charity status. :)

In that case I could be your membership secretary. :)

To start and finish with, I'll try to start a rush for membership in your federation; that is, by tinkering with my chesstalk "User CP", I'll put my "location" for chesstalk viewers as "Inner Galactic Chess Federation Member", so it will show up in all my posts (similar to the way you wrote your own chesstalk location - as Federation leader, I presume).

That's even without knowing what your federation does, that is. :)