Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

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  • Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

    I guess this is directed mostly at Marcel Laurin or anyone involved with the Gatineau Open organization March 1-3rd, but does anyone know why this tournament has not been rated with FIDE yet?

    Now when I look for March, April, May FIDE lists I don't even see the tournament listed any longer. What happened?

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    Re : Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

    Originally posted by Aman Hambleton View Post
    I guess this is directed mostly at Marcel Laurin or anyone involved with the Gatineau Open organization March 1-3rd, but does anyone know why this tournament has not been rated with FIDE yet?

    Now when I look for March, April, May FIDE lists I don't even see the tournament listed any longer. What happened?
    Who was the arbiter? Lots of tournaments have not been rated because the arbiter (and maybe even the organizer, but I'm not sure) do not have a FIDE license. http://arbiters.fide.com/images/stor...d_Arbiters.pdf

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    • #3
      Re: Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

      Isn't this not allowed? Can't the players revolt? The tournament said FIDE rated and now it is not FIDE rated.

      I believe it should be FIDE rated.

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        Re : Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

        The players can revolt, but against who? FIDE has been clear with this and arbiters licenses are mandatory. I don't like this decision, but they did make it clear to potential organizers and arbiters. And obviously, they can't really make exceptions.

        I agree it can be very frustrating though. I don't have much time to play anymore (max. 2 tournaments a year) and if ever one of my tournaments was not FIDE rated, I would be really frustrated. However, I think in this case the organizers were not aware of the new rules. At least, many people still enjoyed the tournament which was apparently very well organized.

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          Re: Re : Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

          Originally posted by Felix Dumont View Post
          I agree it can be very frustrating though. I don't have much time to play anymore (max. 2 tournaments a year) and if ever one of my tournaments was not FIDE rated, I would be really frustrated. However, I think in this case the organizers were not aware of the new rules. At least, many people still enjoyed the tournament which was apparently very well organized.
          Hi Felix, my thoughts exactly. I don't have much time to play either, with my university studies taking priority. I decided to play in the event considering it was FIDE rated. I had quite a good tournament, beating Jean Hebert and gaining 30 points.

          I am quite disappointed that it now seems as if the tournament won't be FIDE rated anymore.

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            Re: Re : Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

            Originally posted by Elias Oussedik View Post
            I had quite a good tournament, beating Jean Hebert and gaining 30 points.
            Well then I imagine Jean hopes the tournament doesn't get rated ;)

            Originally posted by Elias Oussedik View Post
            I am quite disappointed that it now seems as if the tournament won't be FIDE rated anymore.
            Well this can easily be rectified... Just change the deputy arbiter to Palsson, Halldor Peter (CAN) and resubmit to FIDE. Halldor is active in the Ottawa chess scene and Gatineau is Ottawa. Or Ottawa is Gatineau. However you prefer to put it :)

            Everyone is happy (minus Jean), and you get your greedy rating points.

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              Re: Re : Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

              Originally posted by Andy Shaw View Post
              Everyone is happy (minus Jean), and you get your greedy rating points.
              It would seem that he actually earned those points... It is pretty irresponsible of the organizers to advertise the tournament as FIDE rated and then not be able to do so. I guess this serves as a big warning to players playing in Canada or the U.S. to check the credentials of the Arbiter(s) - one more thing to deal with from IllusionOf and FIDE.
              ...Mike Pence: the Lord of the fly.

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                Re: Re : Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

                Originally posted by Elias Oussedik View Post
                Hi Felix, my thoughts exactly. I don't have much time to play either, with my university studies taking priority. I decided to play in the event considering it was FIDE rated. I had quite a good tournament, beating Jean Hebert and gaining 30 points.

                I am quite disappointed that it now seems as if the tournament won't be FIDE rated anymore.
                You're not the only one disappointed because of the new FIDE rule.
                My son played in the Hart House Reading Week Open and the tournament never got rated by FIDE.
                It looks like 2013 Hart House Invitational will have the same fate.

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                • #9
                  Re: Re : Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

                  Originally posted by Andy Shaw View Post
                  Well then I imagine Jean hopes the tournament doesn't get rated ;)
                  I don't really care for a few points. I am well beyond that now (always have been actually). However I cannot help it but to believe that having those weekenders FIDE rated is useless, costly, and potentially even more costly. When all arbiters will have paid their FIDE licenses, things will be set for FIDE to bring back their plan to have all PLAYERS also pay a FIDE license. Canadian chess is playing into this scheme to pump out even more money to FIDE for no real purpose.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Re : Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

                    Originally posted by Rene Preotu View Post
                    My son played in the Hart House Reading Week Open and the tournament never got rated by FIDE.
                    It looks like 2013 Hart House Invitational will have the same fate.
                    Seems that issues were solved and the tournament was rated.

                    http://ratings.fide.com/tournament_d...ml?event=75379
                    http://ratings.fide.com/tournament_r...?event16=75379

                    2613280 Preotu, Razvan CAN 2284 3.00 5 +22.5

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                    • #11
                      Re: Re : Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

                      Originally posted by Rene Preotu View Post
                      You're not the only one disappointed because of the new FIDE rule.
                      My son played in the Hart House Reading Week Open and the tournament never got rated by FIDE.
                      It looks like 2013 Hart House Invitational will have the same fate.
                      Hi Rene,


                      This is entirely possible.
                      Bryan Lamb as chief arbiter has all the norms and qualifications to be FA, but probably due to some technicality isn't (yet).

                      I've paid my fee while kicking myself (in January), I've submitted a photo through e-mail (recently), I've been in contact with FIDE rep.
                      My name has been on the National Arbiters list for a few months now, FIDE only has recognized it in the past couple of weeks.
                      The Annex Chess Club Championship has been FIDE rated on May 1st, with me as arbiter.

                      On my arbiter's record, Hart House Reading Week shows up for June 2013, but the tournament doesn't seem to be part of the listings when we search by tournament. I don't know if this means that it will be allowed to be rated with me as deputy arbiter.

                      So ... CFC has been letting me register tournaments with FIDE. I do (as organizer, or arbiter). They end, fees are paid. I am still trying to get the Hart House tournament (two sections) rated, as advertised. But to be perfectly honest... all this resistance, bureaucracy, and all around nonsense... does make me wonder if it is worth it for future events.

                      Is the Hart House tournament from February getting rated? Is it still possible?
                      I don't know! But I haven't stopped trying yet.


                      Alex Ferreira

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                        Re: Re : Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

                        Originally posted by Egidijus Zeromskis View Post
                        Seems that issues were solved and the tournament was rated.

                        http://ratings.fide.com/tournament_d...ml?event=75379
                        http://ratings.fide.com/tournament_r...?event16=75379

                        2613280 Preotu, Razvan CAN 2284 3.00 5 +22.5
                        Egis,

                        That's January 2013, Winter Open. That one got rated fine.
                        We had one other (the one Rene is referring to) at the end of February, that one has stalled and has not yet been rated.

                        Alex F.

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                          Re: Re : Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

                          Originally posted by Alex Ferreira View Post
                          Hi Rene,


                          This is entirely possible.
                          Bryan Lamb as chief arbiter has all the norms and qualifications to be FA, but probably due to some technicality isn't (yet).

                          I've paid my fee while kicking myself (in January), I've submitted a photo through e-mail (recently), I've been in contact with FIDE rep.
                          My name has been on the National Arbiters list for a few months now, FIDE only has recognized it in the past couple of weeks.
                          The Annex Chess Club Championship has been FIDE rated on May 1st, with me as arbiter.

                          On my arbiter's record, Hart House Reading Week shows up for June 2013, but the tournament doesn't seem to be part of the listings when we search by tournament. I don't know if this means that it will be allowed to be rated with me as deputy arbiter.

                          So ... CFC has been letting me register tournaments with FIDE. I do (as organizer, or arbiter). They end, fees are paid. I am still trying to get the Hart House tournament (two sections) rated, as advertised. But to be perfectly honest... all this resistance, bureaucracy, and all around nonsense... does make me wonder if it is worth it for future events.

                          Is the Hart House tournament from February getting rated? Is it still possible?
                          I don't know! But I haven't stopped trying yet.


                          Alex Ferreira
                          Alex,

                          Thank you for explaining the situation.

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                            Re : Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

                            Please excuse my poor english.

                            The gatineau open fide tournament code is 77214
                            We have a printed copy of the report taken from the FIDE site...
                            but, and it's weird, when I just type :
                            http://ratings.fide.com/view_source.phtml?code=77214
                            it is NOW said «no data available».

                            We are investigated what happened (as Marcel Laurin is a register fide arbiter)...
                            More on this later, we hope !

                            You can write directly to Marcel at marcelllaurin@videotron.ca for more info.

                            Gilles

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                              Re : Gatineau Open - Why not FIDE rated?

                              Originally posted by Gilles G. Jobin View Post
                              Please excuse my poor english.

                              The gatineau open fide tournament code is 77214
                              We have a printed copy of the report taken from the FIDE site...
                              but, and it's weird, when I just type :
                              http://ratings.fide.com/view_source.phtml?code=77214
                              it is NOW said «no data available».

                              We are investigated what happened (as Marcel Laurin is a register fide arbiter)...
                              More on this later, we hope !

                              You can write directly to Marcel at marcelllaurin@videotron.ca for more info.

                              Gilles
                              Marcel Laurin is a registered National arbiter, but doesn't have a FIDE license. I imagine there was some misunderstanding between him and the CFC when he applied for his title.

                              Here's the complete list of registered arbiters (from the previous link):

                              CANADA CAN 2601699 Bond,Hal IA A
                              CAN 2616785 Boutin,Jean‐Roger NA
                              CAN 2601648 Daniluk,Jim NA
                              CAN 2611031 Denommee, Pierre IA D
                              CAN 2611040 Dutton, Mark S. IA D
                              CAN 2606763 Ferreira, Alex NA
                              CAN 2611058 Marghetis, Aris IA D
                              CAN 2611082 McDonald, Patrick IA D
                              CAN 2615371 Ouimet, Bernard NA
                              CAN 2603136 Palsson,Halldor‐Peter NA
                              CAN 2606232 Rekhson, Vlad IA D
                              CAN 2617781 Tariq, AtheerJawad NA
                              CAN 2602369 Wright, Stephen FA D

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