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    Originally posted by Paul Bonham View Post
    Well, maybe not right now, seeing as you're still in grade school...
    You seem to know sooo much about everything. May I ask you what is your education and what job you are doing with all this knowledge?

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      ChessBase has an article in which they interview a Ukrainian WGM who is also a lawyer and her insights are worth repeating. Simply put, the legal environment for chess is a kind of no-man's land. Chess law is amateurish, e.g., FIDE has 19 Committees and not one of them deals with legal matters. Incidently, she says that this explains why sponsors and patrons have little interest in chess.

      First of all she compares chess to other sports ...

      Originally posted by Irina Lymar
      the entire sports world has long been living under the fair play rules; it is a world providing for unified norms of behavior for all sportsmen, while the relations between them are based on ethical principles and mutual respect. And there are tough penalties for those who breach the rules, right up to lifetime disqualification. So why are chess players unable to put things in order in their own sector? Thousands of lawyers, one way or another, work in the field of sports technologies, helping sportsmen competently prepare their personal contracts, representing and protecting their interests during negotiations or when brought to arbitrage, etc.
      But wait, there's more ...

      Originally posted by Irina Lymar
      Summing it up, I can say that if compared to other kinds of sports, chess remains an amateur one, where a legal chaos reigns and everyone is by himself only. Chess has not become a professional sport yet, with all the rights and obligations clearly specified in contracts and protected by the law or regulations, or by arbitrage. I believe the time has come to change that situation.
      ChessBase: FIDE must develop anti-cheating rules

      Problem is, if FIDE itself is corrupt and "cheats" in its own way, and only the players suffer at the hands of one of their own that cheats (and not the tournament organizers or sponsors) , then where is the motivation to solve this problem of cheating that may become an epidemic if it is not already one?
      Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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        Thursday, July 11, 2013

        From chess-news.ru:

        Chessbase.com reports details on the Ivanov case - the 25-year-old FM suspected of cheating. Let us remind you, the Bulgarian Chess Federation decided to temporarily disqualify Ivanov from participating in Bulgarian tournaments for a duration of four months. This period should have been used by the Federation to investigate the case and find out if he was using computer help while playing.

        A special anti-cheating test for Borislav Ivanov was organized by the BCF in its headquarters in Sofia on June 19th. The meeting was organized especially for the player to vindicate himself. The night before the test, the FM sent a last-minute notice to Federation, written by his lawyer, which stated that Ivanov wouldn't be able to attend the test as he was going to participate in 7th Varna Open, which was starting on the same day in Varna. A week earlier, however, Ivanov noted in his interview at ta local TV-show that the organizer of Varna Open has "categorically refused" to let him play in the competition.

        Chessdom.com cites Silvio Danailov, who arrived from Spain to personally attend the test demonstration: "The Ivanov case is now closed."

        It's also noted that BCF won the lawsuit that Ivanov has filed against the Federation after the decision on his four-month disqualification was announced. After Ivanov missed the anti-cheating test, the Federation made the following decison: "once Ivanov’s four-month ban from tournament participation on Bulgarian soil expires, he will be free to play chess wherever he wants. But the final decision on whether he can play will be made solely by the tournament organizers.” According to the website after Ivanov's failed attempt to play at Varna Open, he was refused to participate in another tournament in Spain.

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          So he can't play and it's up to the TD's to decide. But they haven't determined his method of cheating. Not good. If he never plays again ... what then?
          Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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            Originally posted by Nigel Hanrahan View Post
            So he can't play and it's up to the TD's to decide. But they haven't determined his method of cheating. Not good. If he never plays again ... what then?
            What if he becomes an entrepreneur, and sells his technology to the highest bidder, who might not so obviously look like he is cheating??

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              Originally posted by Nigel Hanrahan View Post
              So he can't play and it's up to the TD's to decide. But they haven't determined his method of cheating. Not good. If he never plays again ... what then?
              True, but he had a chance to clean his reputation and didn't take it. I mean, if he really was able to play at a 2700 level he would logically take any reasonable test and prove the sceptic wrong.

              So basically, he pleaded guilty. But as you wrote, it's unfortunate that we don't know how he did it!

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                Originally posted by Nigel Hanrahan View Post
                So he can't play and it's up to the TD's to decide. But they haven't determined his method of cheating. Not good. If he never plays again ... what then?

                I looked at 2 of the games. The first one was a Trompowsky. His oppnent weakend his own king side and Ivanov took advantage and attacked the kingside. In the other game the high rated opponent made a weak move in the opening and took away his own counter chances. I've commented both in this thread.

                Strong players sometimes play weakly expecting their opponent to fold like a cheap suitcase.

                I wouldn't accuse anyone of cheating based on those two games and I didn't bother looking farther. You can't stop a strong player from losing to you.

                As far as cheating goes, there are microchips the size of a grain of rice. The ones for a dog or cat is implanted with a needle and they have been around for more than a decade. I don't know how small other devices have become but suspect they could get to where anyone could get one implanted. Maybe even one that vibrates code.
                Gary Ruben
                CC - IA and SIM

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                  For anyone fluent in Bulgarian (!) there is a video clip of Ivanov on The Slavi Show, on Bulgarian TV. The clip lasts from the 22-minute-mark to the 43-mark.
                  Ivanov talks about Houdini and chess. He seems quite personable and charming.

                  The date is June 13, 2013:

                  http://www.slavishow.com/шоуто-на-слави-13-юни-2013-г/

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                    Paul Bonham, are you a real human being or an android programmed to comment on every chesstalk thread?
                    Shameless self-promotion on display here
                    http://www.youtube.com/user/Barkyducky?feature=mhee

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                      Some 10 - 20 years ago there was a research group in Rhode Island exploring the possibility of human-computer interfacing. Now, a google search of human-computer interface shows many groups pursuing this research. Assuming some form of brain implant being eventually possible, or even now doable, where to find a willing subject to undergo such a brain implant. A fertile area to look might be among hopeful chess players in a third world country - you probably wouldn't have to pay that person anything - prospective chess glory would tempt them. But would a Bulgarian cheat? Naaah....... well maybe?! :o

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                          August 3, 2013

                          At Dortmund 2013, IM Jens Kotainy was disqualified today from the open tournament, where seven rounds had been played. Christian Goldschmidt posted the following text in the Facebook group against cheating in chess:

                          I am the Tournament director of the Sparkassen Open in Dortmund. We disqualified Jens Kotainy today from the tournament, because of Computer Cheating. We claimed his cell phone before the round today. Coincidentally we determined that his turned-off(!) cellphone made morselike vibrations.


                          Soon afterwards an official statement in German was put up on the homepage of the Sparkassen Chess Meeting which confirmed the above. It mentions that Kotainy was leading the tournament with 7 out of 7, and because he had been accused of cheating at previous events, the arbiters and organizers had him under special observation.

                          In the Westdeutsche Allgemeine Zeitung, Goldschmidt is quoted:

                          We noticed irregularities. After each move, he put his hand in his left pocket.

                          The fact that Kotainy's moves were close to 100% of Houdini's choices, added to the suspicion. Before the 8th round, the arbiters asked Kotainy to hand over his cell phone. Even though it appeared to be switched off, it suddenly buzzed in the hand of the arbiter, upon which he decided to disqualify the player.

                          According to the WAZ, Kotainy denies that he cheated. He claims that his brother, a trained computer scientist, has written anti-theft software for mobile phones which would make it vibrate "every ten seconds without internet connection".

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                            I'm sure he's totally innocent and just another player who has discovered how to play like a computer program. They're going to be popping up everywhere these geniuses, just wait and see.
                            "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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                              Comments on Jens Kotainy at Dortmund from the ChessVibes Forum:

                              -Are Jens Kotainy games available?

                              -Yes - rather well hidden on a separate homepage available only in German:
http://www.dortmunder-schachschule.de/Schachtage/2013/ - then "Partien"
                              (Kotainy is in Open A and you have to download each round)

                              -What a funny excuse by Kotainy!
                              So how would the vibrations every 10 seconds make me stop from stealing the phone ?

                              -It sounds as if this guy was ejected from the tournament for having a phone, which made a noise. That is not the same as being disqualified for cheating. He might have been cheating, he might not

                              -MorseCall allows you to customize the vibration of your phone's incoming call & SMS settings. Record a different vibration pattern for each of your contacts in this simple application. Now you can know who is calling you without pulling your phone out of your pocket! Perfect for business meetings and movie theaters!

                              -So you can then also record a different vibration pattern for each move. Or a code for the chess moves. Every piece gets a vibration and also every square gets one and you are done. But for this evidence you have to examine the mobile phone a pity they didn’t did that.

                              -What happened to Jens's played games, were they counted for something, rating norms, points given to the cheated?

                              -Points were retrospectively given to Kotainy's opponents - so he is now officially 82nd of 83 players with 0/8 (one player dropped out after 2 rounds with 0/2 and has a lower Buchholz). I am not sure though if games marked as +/- will be rated. It's a bit strange for a Swiss system where a "win" against Kotainy would normally mean a stronger opponent in the next round.

                              The whole story seems strange: all but one of Kotainy's opponents were at least 200 points lower-rated - so purely result-wise, his 7/7 score seems less suspicious than Cheparinov's 6/6 start at the Politiken Cup (not saying the latter is suspicious). If Kotainy did cheat, he is either a "cheating addict" [he should beat such opposition by 'normal means'!?] or his entire career was fake and he is way overrated?

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                                Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post
                                I'm sure he's totally innocent and just another player who has discovered how to play like a computer program. They're going to be popping up everywhere these geniuses, just wait and see.
                                Since I know you are trolling, I'll give you this:

                                http://comediansincarsgettingcoffee....ly-time-jerry/

                                You can watch the whole video if you are a Seinfeld fan, but if not, the part that relates to your post and chess in general starts at around 8:00 and lasts a few minutes. The whole video is about 17:00 long.

                                My personal favorite line from this: when Seinfeld tells Michael Richards "We are just raindrops on a windshield."
                                Only the rushing is heard...
                                Onward flies the bird.

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