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Table 5 now shows 1556 deaths in the vaccinated group vs 590 in the vaccinated group for the over 50s
pop of the vaccinated group is157400 vs 257367 in the unvaccinated group for the over 50s
Therefore deaths per 100k = 988 in the vaccinated group vs 229 in the unvaccinated. the death rate is 4.3 * that of the vaccinated.
In fact, 70% of all deaths since January are from the vaccinated group.
Sid, you are mixing apples and oranges. You are comparing over 50 deaths vs. cases for all ages.
Vaccinated over 50 = 71,991, and unvaccinated over 50 is 8,551
So unvaccinated death rate is 317% that of the vaccinated death rate for 50 and older.
Sid, you are mixing apples and oranges. You are comparing over 50 deaths vs. cases for all ages.
Vaccinated over 50 = 71,991, and unvaccinated over 50 is 8,551
So unvaccinated death rate is 317% that of the vaccinated death rate for 50 and older.
Ok, I see your point that the death rate for over 50 according to this table is higher for unvaccinated because so few people in the UK are unvaccinated that are over 50. It is still alarming that overall cases show a much higher death rate for the vaccinated that tends to show ADE is the likely scenario as is being seen in two other heavily vaccinated countries both Israel and Gibraltar. If you took your logic to an extreme if 2 unvaccinated cases were left in the UK and 1 died then the conclusion is death rate is 50,0000 per 100,000 unvaccinated ie thousands of times riskier than for the vaccinated. That is silly. The inescapable fact is that 70% of COVID deaths since Feb 1st are the double vaccinated and that sadly, points towards an obsolete vaccine.
Another academic article provides an interesting discussion of the UK data similar to what you and I are discussing.
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Do some research on Remdesevir the standard of care in hospitals in Canada and tell me what you come back with. Ask the French how it worked out for them.
"Remdesivir keeps high-risk patients out of the hospital
Gilead Sciences Inc's intravenous antiviral drug remdesivir helped keep high-risk COVID-19 patients out of the hospital in a randomized trial, the company announced. The 562 patients in the study all had conditions that increased their risk for becoming critically ill. Half received three days of treatment with remdesivir - sold under the brand name Veklury - while the rest received a placebo. Four weeks later, 5.3% of patients in the placebo group had been hospitalized or died, compared to 0.7% of those who received remdesivir. That translated into an 87% lower risk of hospitalization or death. Remdesivir-treated patients also had significantly fewer medical visits, the company said. The drug is currently authorized for emergency use in hospitalized patients. "These latest data show remdesivir's potential to help high-risk patients recover before they get sicker and stay out of the hospital altogether," study leader Dr. Robert Gottlieb of Baylor University Medical Center said in a statement. His team plans to formally report the data at an upcoming medical conference."
"Remdesivir keeps high-risk patients out of the hospital
Gilead Sciences Inc's intravenous antiviral drug remdesivir helped keep high-risk COVID-19 patients out of the hospital in a randomized trial, the company announced. The 562 patients in the study all had conditions that increased their risk for becoming critically ill. Half received three days of treatment with remdesivir - sold under the brand name Veklury - while the rest received a placebo. Four weeks later, 5.3% of patients in the placebo group had been hospitalized or died, compared to 0.7% of those who received remdesivir. That translated into an 87% lower risk of hospitalization or death. Remdesivir-treated patients also had significantly fewer medical visits, the company said. The drug is currently authorized for emergency use in hospitalized patients. "These latest data show remdesivir's potential to help high-risk patients recover before they get sicker and stay out of the hospital altogether," study leader Dr. Robert Gottlieb of Baylor University Medical Center said in a statement. His team plans to formally report the data at an upcoming medical conference."
Billions of dollars of utterly useless Remdesivir were sold to our governments on the taxpayer’s dime, and it ended up being totally useless for treating
hyperinflammatory COVID-19:
Billions of dollars of utterly useless Remdesivir were sold to our governments on the taxpayer’s dime, and it ended up being totally useless for treating
hyperinflammatory COVID-19:
The comments on this one are really positive towards the Jewish faith.
The reason why your stupid videos and this one are not allowed in other places is pretty clear for intelligent people. Both are complete trash, hateful, and full of lies.
The comments on this one are really positive towards the Jewish faith.
The reason why your stupid videos and this one are not allowed in other places is pretty clear for intelligent people. Both are complete trash, hateful, and full of lies.
You babble on about students. Every student I have ever taught would not believe a word from this site.
According to your logic everything on Google and Youtube is also fake, or any other public platform where people can post anything... oh wait I forgot the main platforms impose fascist censorship! You can't attack the message, you can't even attack the messenger so you are so desperate that you attack a platform where anyone can post anything, good or bad? Wow, you are a truly pathetic excuse of a human being.
Don't forget Brian, if you catch the delta variant that the vaccine will be useless against, follow the government recommendations and do nothing until your lips turn blue present yourself at the emergency plow yourself with Remdesevir and for G-d sakes man get on the ventilator ASAP.
For everyone else, Ventilators are utterly worthless for COVID. The problem is not (initially) one of impaired gas exchange due to pneumonia; it is red blood cells losing their capacity to carry oxygen. Ventilators do nothing for COVID but destroy lungs. Do not let them ventilate your loved ones!
65+ Year olds on ventilators 97.2%+ mortality rate.
By the way, a paper that I was a coauthor of along with a group of working Dr's and scientists in our forum just got accepted for publication by Reviews in Cardiovascular Medicine. it is undergoing peer review and we expect that to be done in the next several weeks. Anyone that wants to read the preprint manuscript feel free to private message me.
Attached is a patient's story of what happened to her at the Lahey Hospital in Burlington Massachusetts.
Whether or not to be vaccinated remains a personal choice. There is no absolute right or wrong, and we really do not know what to believe, so we need to trust our guts. I fully respect either choice, we all live, die and spend our money.
Well, as an ER physician in BC , I am seeing about 2 COVID patients a shift during this 4th (delta) wave...I've seen a total of 2 COVID pts who were unvaccinated, neither were very sick (they came in with unvaccinated family members who were quite sick). I've seen people on ivermectin and HCQ - i suppose it might help a little bit but haven't really noticed much...everyone is taking vit D and Zn, but TBH we don't have any great treatments for any respiratory viruses (for example influenza drugs also aren't great for treating influenza). Steroids help some people. I haven't seen any real vaccine reactions with the mRNA vaccines, aside from the usual flu like symptoms for a day or two after in some people, definitely haven't seen worse COVID in patients who have had the vaccine at this point.
As a chess player with a strong libertarian streak, I do agree vaccines are a personal choice, but the consequences of being unvaccinated do affect others. Mostly in the expense of caring for these patients in the ICU and the cancelling of elective procedures (which can include cancer surgeries and other hi risk procedures as there are no ICU beds) I imagine in the US the insurance companies will raise premiums for the unvaccinated in the future, but obviously that won't happen in Canada...
I think we are gradually coming to the end of the pandemic as people get vaccinated or acquire immunity through getting the illness. COVID will of course always be around but should be able to approach it much like influenza - I suspect we'll get covid shots for the elderly and health care workers and hi risk people on a yearly or bi yearly basis. ...
Dale, thanks for injecting (pardon the pun) some real world information into this thread.
Thanks also for all you and your colleagues do every single shift.
I hope to never avail myself of the need for such services, but good to know there are caring professionals out there working the front lines.
It seems clear to me that the unvaccinated versus vaccinated results are crystal clear (with obvious implication that neither is 100% deterministic)
and that getting vaccinated [if possible] is one more tool in the arsenal.
I am SO tired of unvaccinated people quoting Facebook or Instagram or other "sources" and saying they understand...
but the consequences of being unvaccinated do affect others
Yes, which is why passports and other forms of entrance restrictions are necessary and proper. Those who clamour about freedom and their rights to not be subject to such restrictions are idiots who have been watching too much American television and who have been duped by the inter-propaganda-net.
Yes, which is why passports and other forms of entrance restrictions are necessary and proper. Those who clamour about freedom and their rights to not be subject to such restrictions are idiots who have been watching too much American television and who have been duped by the inter-propaganda-net.
Bullshit, the vaccines are useless against the delta variant and furthermore do not have longitudinal safety data to warrant coercion, that goes against international law for an experimental therapy.
Bullshit, the vaccines are useless against the delta variant and furthermore do not have longitudinal safety data to warrant coercion, that goes against international law for an experimental therapy.
What do your sources say about a modified vaccine tweaked towards Delta and possible future mutations? It might become similar to flu shots in the fall.
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