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Climate change is threatening their paradise: Four Indonesians fight back by suing the global corporation Holcim.
That is an interesting article, and based on the data I have given you, they have no way of prosecuting their case as the evidence shows that Solar activity is the driver of climate change. If you have a refutation to this post https://forum.chesstalk.com/forum/ch...369#post224369 and this post https://forum.chesstalk.com/forum/ch...371#post224371 please share it with us.
Until you have done that, posting information that does not refute these fundamental facts serves no useful purpose.
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Thursday, 9th February, 2023, 06:39 PM.
Negative Natural Climate Change supporters have failed totally to move the mainstream science, and coverage by the mainstream media, by these links.
Until you have done that, re-posting information that has not moved the anthropogenicists off their fundamental facts serves no useful purpose.
B~ Bob A (T-S/P)
Bob, you are full of shit; you can't refute the facts nor can your fraudulent MSM. I ask you for a simple explanation and you have nothing to say. Of course, what can I expect from someone stupid enough to jab themselves five times with an ill-conceived and unproved injection that has turned out to be ineffective and toxic?
Take your "15-minute cities", totalitarian MSM govt sponsored censorship, mass genocide of children and youth forced to take dangerous jabs who are. at zero risk for COVID , lockdowns, ineffective masks, destruction of the food supply in the name of climate change, and stuff it.
In the twentieth century alone 100,000,000 people dead from your fucking Marxism. You asked for data I gave it to you and you said you would analyze it and reply, you have not. Instead, you extoll the virtues of a fraudulent govt sponsored MSM that censors all dissent to their narrative. Pathetic!
Please make no mistake about it; this is not about right versus left. It is about good versus evil, and you my friend are solidly on the evil side.
I do love how the censorious pricks from the pre-Elon Musk Twitter were raked over the coals by congress yesterday.
You might find this discussion interesting how Heads of State, including Switzerland, are now being indicted for crimes against humanity. Don't worry. That is just the beginning! The truth eventually always prevails. As in post-WW2, when propagandists of the "MSM" ended up hanging, you watch what happens this time! https://twitter.com/spartajustice/st...UbUb2c-NvbexYg
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Friday, 10th February, 2023, 11:10 AM.
Hi Bob,
Let me be very very clear in asking you:
Do you support the MSM assertion that fertilizers need to be severely restricted (ignoring the outcome that the poor may go hungry), and that we also need to severely restrict cheap energy like coal and oil (ignoring the outcome that the poor may shiver to death because of it)?
Is it clear enough for you to answer?
D
Last edited by Dilip Panjwani; Friday, 10th February, 2023, 02:14 PM.
Two very clear questions......I will research and try to respond.
Q # 1 - If you can help me........what is the fertilizer being banned in the Netherlands? I want to search if it is banned anywhere else in the world, or only in the Netherlands (Unless you know the answer to this factual research question).
Q # 2 - Oil and Coal (Bad for greenhouse gas non-porous canopy now formed around the Earth, and keeping the heat in the air/atmosphere) - I will research what concessions are being made on humanitarian grounds in which countries, due to the energy problems being caused by the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and Western Sanctions against Russia.
Two very clear questions......I will research and try to respond.
Q # 1 - If you can help me........what is the fertilizer being banned in the Netherlands? I want to search if it is banned anywhere else in the world, or only in the Netherlands (Unless you know the answer to this factual research question).
Q # 2 - Oil and Coal (Bad for greenhouse gas non-porous canopy now formed around the Earth, and keeping the heat in the air/atmosphere) - I will research what concessions are being made on humanitarian grounds in which countries, due to the energy problems being caused by the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and Western Sanctions against Russia.
It's a start.........
~ Bob A (T-S/P)
Originally posted by Bob Armstrong
(Bad for greenhouse gas non-porous canopy now formed around the Earth, and keeping the heat in the air/atmosphere
You said that once I gave you the very specific data, you could extrapolate what the temp will be to substantiate the above conjecture that CO2 is a stronger driver of climate change. The data shows a full 150 years pre-industrial revolution with almost zero anthropogenic carbon emissions and steeply increased anthropogenic carbon emissions post-industrial revolution with temp growing at the same rate today as 300 years ago. About .5 degrees every hundred years.
So Bob, how do YOU explain it? I criticized the MSM, and you responded by demanding I answer your questions. Since the data does not fit your story, you hide behind the WEF-controlled MSM propaganda. You accused me of "REFUSING" to answer questions; now you are doing exactly that; what a sniveling little hypocrite you are.
As I said, you don't need a brain to let the MSM think for you; the spinal cord is sufficient to keep you going. Why bother with data? You may as well sit at home and get your historic data watching The Flintstones!
As a friend said, "The World Economic Forum is NOT in charge of our lives. They are Nazis…and we will NOT be their Prisoners. We are the FACE OF RESISTANCE!"
A major victory against Bob Armsatorng's dystopian vision of WHO/WEF climate change lockdowns "15-minute cities" because of MSM-driven climate fear porn.
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Friday, 10th February, 2023, 06:26 PM.
Two very clear questions......I will research and try to respond.
Q # 1 - If you can help me........what is the fertilizer being banned in the Netherlands? I want to search if it is banned anywhere else in the world, or only in the Netherlands (Unless you know the answer to this factual research question).
Q # 2 - Oil and Coal (Bad for greenhouse gas non-porous canopy now formed around the Earth, and keeping the heat in the air/atmosphere) - I will research what concessions are being made on humanitarian grounds in which countries, due to the energy problems being caused by the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and Western Sanctions against Russia.
It's a start.........
~ Bob A (T-S/P)
The so called 'sanctions' against Russia cannot have anything to do with the question you have been asked, as in reality, tons of Russian oil is being purchased by India, then refined, and sold to the West (calling this sanctions is the MSM making a fool out of those who believe it)...
When there is shortage of food and shortage of energy, suffering is bound to follow; Marxist-like governments redistributing wealth will not relieve the shortage nor the suffering, right?
Last edited by Dilip Panjwani; Friday, 10th February, 2023, 07:59 PM.
The so-called 'sanctions' against Russia cannot have anything to do with the question you have been asked, as in reality, tons of Russian oil is being purchased by India, then refined, and sold to the West (calling these sanctions is the MSM making a fool out of those who believe it)...
When there is a shortage of food and energy, suffering is bound to follow; Marxist-like governments redistributing wealth will not relieve the shortage nor the suffering, right?
The irony is that the originator of the so-called CO2-driven global warming was a Canadian oil man and billionaire Maurice Strong. Just like Chevron showed record profits this year, Maurice Strong loved pushing agendas that involved fake artificially induced oil shortages that made him even richer. Of course, he was a foundational member of the WEF, an organization that controls all MSM through the Trusted News Initiative I posted about here several times. Still, of course, Bob never reads anything and continually talks out of his asshole, as does the MSM that he parrots. The WEF and its billionaire elites like the late Maurice Strong loved the support from useful Marxist idiots like Bob Armstrong and, of course, our beloved Young Global WEF leader (the 21st-century equivalent of the Hitler Youth) Justin Trudeau.
More information about VP Al Gore's former mentor and teacher, the late Maurice Strong, from a pseudonymous author friend of mine:
"Canadian Maurice Strong was one of the key early propagators of the scientifically flawed theory that man-made CO2 emissions from transportation vehicles, coal plants and agriculture caused a dramatic and accelerating global temperature rise which threatens “the planet”, so-called Global Warming.
As chairman of the 1972 Earth Day UN Stockholm Conference, Strong promoted an agenda of population reduction and lowering of living standards around the world to “save the environment.”
Strong stated his radical ecologist agenda:
“Isn’t the only hope for the planet that the industrialized civilizations collapse? Isn’t it our responsibility to bring that about?” [vi]
Strong was a curious choice to head a major UN initiative to mobilize action on the environment, as his career and his considerable fortune had been built on the exploitation of oil, like an unusual number of the new advocates of ‘ecological purity,’ such as David Rockefeller or Robert O. Anderson of Aspen Institute or Shell’s John Loudon.
Strong met David Rockefeller in 1947 as a young Canadian eighteen and from that point, his career became tied to the network of the Rockefeller family.[vii] Through his new friendship with David Rockefeller, Strong, at age 18, was given a key UN position under UN Treasurer, Noah Monod. The UN’s funds were conveniently enough handled by Rockefeller’s Chase Bank. This was typical of the model of “public-private partnership” to be deployed by Strong—private gain from public government. [viii]
In the 1960s Strong had become president of the huge Montreal energy conglomerate and oil company known as Power Corporation, then owned by the influential Paul Desmarais. Power Corporation was reportedly also used as a political slush fund to finance campaigns of select Canadian politicians such as Pierre Trudeau, father of Davos protégé Justin Trudeau, according to Canadian investigative researcher, Elaine Dewar. [ix] Earth Summit I and Rio Earth Summit
By 1971 Strong was named Undersecretary of the United Nations in New York and Secretary General of the upcoming Earth Day conference, United Nations Conference on the Human Environment (Earth Summit I) in Stockholm, Sweden. He was also named that year as a trustee of the Rockefeller Foundation – which financed his launch of the Stockholm Earth Day project.[x] In Stockholm the United Nations Environment Program (UNEP) was created with Strong as its head.
By 1989 Strong was named by the UN Secretary General to head the 1992 UN Conference on Environment and Development or UNCED (“Rio Earth Summit II”). He oversaw the drafting of the UN “Sustainable Environment” goals there, the Agenda 21 for Sustainable Development that forms the basis of Klaus Schwab’s Great Reset, as well as creation of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) of the UN. Strong, who was also a board member of Davos WEF, had arranged for Schwab to serve as a key adviser to the Rio Earth Summit.
As Secretary General of the UN Rio Conference, Strong also commissioned a report from the Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution, authored by Alexander King which admitted that the CO2 global warming claim was merely an invented ruse to force change:
“The common enemy of humanity is man. In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.” [xi]
President Clinton’s delegate to Rio, Tim Wirth, admitted the same, stating,
“We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” [xii]
At Rio Strong first introduced the manipulative idea of “sustainable society” defined in relation this arbitrary goal of eliminating CO2 and other so-called Greenhouse Gases. Agenda 21 became Agenda 2030 in Sept 2015 in Rome, with the Pope’s blessing, with 17 “sustainable” goals. It declared among other items,
“Land, because of its unique nature and the crucial role it plays in human settlement, cannot be treated as an ordinary asset, controlled by individuals and subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. Private land ownership also is a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to social injustice…Social justice, urban renewal, and development, the provision of decent dwellings and healthy conditions for the people can only ‘be achieved if land is used in the interests of society as a whole.”
In short private land ownership must become socialized for “society as a whole,” an idea well-known in Soviet Union days, and a key part of the Davos Great Reset.
At Rio in 1992 where he was chairman and General Secretary, Strong declared:
“It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent middle class— involving high meat intake, consumption of large amounts frozen and convenience foods, use of fossil fuels, appliances, home and work place air-conditioning, and suburban housing — are not sustainable.” [xiii] (emphasis added)
By that time Strong was at the very center of the transformation of the UN into the vehicle for imposing a new global technocratic “paradigm” by stealth, using dire warnings of planet extinction and global warming, merging government agencies with corporate power in an unelected control of pretty much everything, under the cover of “sustainability.” In 1997 Strong oversaw creation of the action plan following the Earth Summit, The Global Diversity Assessment, a blueprint for the roll out of a Fourth Industrial Revolution, an inventory of every resource on the planet, how it would be controlled , and how this revolution would be achieved.[xiv]
At this time Strong was co-chairman of Klaus Schwab’s Davos World Economic Forum. In 2015 on Strong’s death, Davos founder Klaus Schwab wrote,
“He was my mentor since the creation of the Forum: a great friend; an indispensable advisor; and, for many years, a member of our Foundation Board.” [xv]
Before he was left UN over an Iraq Food-for-Oil corruption scandal, Strong was member of the Club of Rome, Trustee of the Aspen Institute, Trustee of the Rockefeller Foundation and Rothschild Foundation. Strong was also a director of the Temple of Understanding of the Lucifer Trust (aka Lucis Trust) housed at the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City,
“where pagan rituals include escorting sheep and cattle to the alter for blessing. Here, Vice President Al Gore delivered a sermon, as worshippers marched to the altar with bowls of compost and worms…” [xvi]
This is the dark origin of Schwab’s Great Reset agenda where we should eat worms and have no private property in order to “save the planet.” The agenda is dark, dystopian and meant to eliminate billions of us “ordinary humans.”
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Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Saturday, 11th February, 2023, 01:25 AM.
F. William Engdahl is strategic risk consultant and lecturer, he holds a degree in politics from Princeton University and is a best-selling author on oil and geopolitics. He is a Research Associate of the Centre for Research on Globalization (CRG).
[v] The Club of Rome, Mankind at the Turning Point, 1974, quoted in Brent Jessop, Mankind at the Turning Point – Part 2 – Creating A One World Consciousness, accessed in
[vii] Elaine Dewar, Cloak of Green: The Links between key environmental groups, government and big business, Toronto, James Lorimer & Co., 1995, pp. 259-265.
An Ontario farmers’ organization is calling on the federal government to drop its tariffs on the importation of certain fertilizers from Russia and Belarus, which are in place because of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.
Ryan Koeslag, executive director of the non-profit organization Ontario Bean Growers, says Canada should drop the tariffs immediately because it is the only Group of Seven nation imposing such a sanction.
It seems, however, that the issue of the type of fertilizer, and climate change, is not touched upon.
Why is fertilizer not a hot-button climate change issue in Canada, as in the Netherlands?
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