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  • Sid Belzberg
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    Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
    Sid, your new independent group, Clintel is making some rather bold statements. Certainly in sync with the fossil fuel industry and the new COP28 President.
    The trouble, as I see it, you are just wrong. We are indeed in a climate emergency. Not that the wolrd will end in 7 years or anything silly like that, but that the more we delay concrete action, the more difficult it will be to solve the problem. Admitting there is a problem and having a realistic plan to take corrective action is the solution.

    While you may argue the alarmists were being too alarmist, the penduluum has now swung even further in the opposite direction.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz_X...=TopMovieClip

    We'll see if 2024 is again another record breaking year.
    Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
    The trouble, as I see it, you are just wrong.
    It's great that you "see it" that way, but multiple Nobel Laureates and a few thousand highly credentialled scientists "see it" the opposite. I would tend to
    believe them and not the opinion of Bob Gillanders or a fraudulent politician like Al Gore with zero scientific credentials who made a presentation in his movie
    that weather follows carbon emissions when the opposite is true as per the very charts he presented in the movie. Not one of his nonsensical predictions came true,
    the polar ice caps are still here that according to him would be gone a decade ago Polar bears would be extinct (still thriving) or New York would be under water. Such horseshit!



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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Bob G - very well put!

    Bob A (Anthropogenicist)

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  • Bob Gillanders
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    Sid, your new independent group, Clintel is making some rather bold statements. Certainly in sync with the fossil fuel industry and the new COP28 President.
    The trouble, as I see it, you are just wrong. We are indeed in a climate emergency. Not that the wolrd will end in 7 years or anything silly like that, but that the more we delay concrete action, the more difficult it will be to solve the problem. Admitting there is a problem and having a realistic plan to take corrective action is the solution.

    While you may argue the alarmists were being too alarmist, the penduluum has now swung even further in the opposite direction.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz_X...=TopMovieClip

    We'll see if 2024 is again another record breaking year.
    Last edited by Bob Gillanders; Tuesday, 5th December, 2023, 08:59 AM.

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  • Sid Belzberg
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    Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post

    It is outrageous that the fossil fuel industry and their lobbyists now dominate the COP process. I would much rather see scientists in charge.

    It didn't take long for the COP28 President to show his loyalty to the fossil fuel industry.

    ​​​​​​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJOT...hannel=BBCNews
    Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post
    I would much rather see scientists in charge.
    I am with you on that, as is the uncorrupted independent scientific community

    Nobel Prize winner Dr. John F. Clauser signs the Clintel World Climate Declaration



    John F. Clauser, winner of the 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics for his work on quantum mechanics, has decided to sign the World Climate Declaration of Clintel with its central message “there is no climate emergency”. Clauser is the second Nobel Laureate to sign the declaration, Dr. Ivar Giaever was the first. The number of scientists and experts signing the World Climate Declaration is growing rapidly and now approaching 1600 people.

    Clauser has publicly distanced himself from climate alarmism and this year he also joined the Board of Directors of the CO­2 Coalition. In the announcement by the CO2 Coalition, Clauser was quoted in the following way:
    “The popular narrative about climate change reflects a dangerous corruption of science that threatens the world’s economy and the well-being of billions of people. Misguided climate science has metastasized into massive shock-journalistic pseudoscience. In turn, the pseudoscience has become a scapegoat for a wide variety of other unrelated ills. It has been promoted and extended by similarly misguided business marketing agents, politicians, journalists, government agencies, and environmentalists. In my opinion, there is no real climate crisis. There is, however, a very real problem with providing a decent standard of living to the world’s large population and an associated energy crisis. The latter is being unnecessarily exacerbated by what, in my opinion, is incorrect climate science.”


    IPCC is spreading dangerous misinformation
    In July Clauser gave a talk at the event Quantum Korea 2023. He warned the audience about the growing amount of pseudoscience and misinformation.
    “Now I am not alone in observing the dangerous proliferation of pseudoscience. Recently, The Nobel Foundation has formed a new panel to address the issue called the International Panel on Information Environment. They plan to model it after the UN’s International Panel on Climate Change, the IPCC.
    I think personally that they are making a big mistake in that effort because in my opinion the IPCC is one of the worst sources of dangerous misinformation. What I’m about to recommend is in furtherance of that, of the aims of that panel. […]

    I have a second elephant in the room that I have recently discovered regarding climate change. I believe that climate change is not a crisis. […]

    Beware. If you’re doing good science, it may lead you into politically incorrect areas. If you’re a good scientist, you will follow them. I have several I won’t have time to discuss, but I can confidently say there is no real climate crisis and that climate change does not cause extreme weather events.”


    As Clintel demonstrated in its recent book The Frozen Climate Views of the IPCC, the IPCC indeed made serious errors in its latest report. Shortly after his talk in Korea the International Monetary Fund (IMF) cancelled a scheduled talk by Clauser about climate models. In an interview with the Epoch Times, Clauser said with respect to climate science: “We are totally awash in pseudoscience”.

    Guus Berkhout, emeritus professor of geophysics at the TU Delft and president of Clintel, very much welcomes Professor Clauser to the Clintel Community.
    “It’s very encouraging when high profile scientists such as Dr Clauser are willing to speak out about the glaring corruption of science by the climate establishment. We aim to make Clintel a full-fledged counterpart of the IPCC. The more excellent scientists in the Clintel network, the stronger our position in the debate with the IPCC as well as the leaders of supranational policy organisations.”


    The Clintel World Climate Declaration was published in 2019, the year Clintel was founded. The strength of the declaration is its accessibility and its powerful message: there is no climate crisis. This holds true regardless of whether you believe in a large or small contribution of CO2 to the warming in the past 150 years. Scientists and experts who want to sign the declaration can submit their request here.

    A great way to learn more about the life and work of Dr Clauser is to watch this Nobel Prize interview with him:


    https://clintel.org/nobel-prize-winner-dr-john-f-clauser-signs-the-clintel-world-climate-declaration/




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  • Bob Gillanders
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    Originally posted by Dilip Panjwani View Post

    Sad, isn't it, that lobbyists have been influencing (with their money power, dictating) the outcomes at the Climate Circus? Well, the bigger, all around reality is that most laws which most politicians pass, are by lobbyists & for lobbyists, and we, like clowns, give the politicians all the power to pass such laws...
    It is outrageous that the fossil fuel industry and their lobbyists now dominate the COP process. I would much rather see scientists in charge.

    It didn't take long for the COP28 President to show his loyalty to the fossil fuel industry.

    ​​​​​​https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJOT...hannel=BBCNews

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  • Dilip Panjwani
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    Originally posted by Bob Gillanders View Post

    Well, COP28 in underway in UAE. But don’t expect any progress. While the public and media have focussed on other crisis (COVID, Russia-Ukraine war, Hamas-Israel war, Donald Trump, and more) fossil fuel lobbyists have infiltrated the COP conferences.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUcI...%3ATheNational
    Sad, isn't it, that lobbyists have been influencing (with their money power, dictating) the outcomes at the Climate Circus? Well, the bigger, all around reality is that most laws which most politicians pass, are by lobbyists & for lobbyists, and we, like clowns, give the politicians all the power to pass such laws...

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  • Bob Gillanders
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    Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
    Negative Climate Change

    The world is still using more energy each year, our consumption ticking ever upward, swallowing any gains made by renewable energy. Emissions are still rising—more slowly than they used to but, nonetheless, rising. Instead of getting pushed down, that needle is fitfully jiggling above zero, clawing into the positive digits when it needs to be deeply pitched into the negative. We are, in other words, simply not making a dent."
    Well, COP28 in underway in UAE. But don’t expect any progress. While the public and media have focussed on other crisis (COVID, Russia-Ukraine war, Hamas-Israel war, Donald Trump, and more) fossil fuel lobbyists have infiltrated the COP conferences.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUcI...%3ATheNational

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  • Sid Belzberg
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    Rep. Thomas Massie Tears John Kerry’s Climate Scam Nonsense To Shreds



    Rep. Thomas Massie masterfully exposes John Kerry’s climate scam propaganda for the sheer undiluted nonsense that it is, in just two minutes.

    “I think it’s somewhat appropriate that somebody with a pseudoscience degree is here pushing pseudoscience in front of our committee today.”


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  • Sid Belzberg
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    For Most Of Human Civilisation, Temperatures Have Been Warmer Than Today

    “For most of the time period that human civilisation has existed, temperatures have been warmer than today.”

    President of The Heartland Institute, James Taylor, utterly and succinctly demolishes the “human-induced climate emergency” narrative, in two and a half minutes.

    “The warming that we’ve had in the last 100-150 years, it’s because 150 years ago we were in the Little Ice Age, which was the coldest period of the past 10,000 years.”

    “We have people who have a political agenda, who have brainwashed much of society into believing that temperatures are unusually hot, we’re having record temperatures. Hogwash.”


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    https://www.theepochtimes.com/epocht...ideawake_media

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  • Sid Belzberg
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    Originally posted by Bob Armstrong View Post
    Negative Climate Change is a Reality

    ClimateChange2.jpg


    We should listen to a renowned scientist’s warning on climate change.

    [By: Thomas Homer-Dixon: executive director of the Cascade Institute at Royal Roads University and professor emeritus at the University of Waterloo.
    Scientist: Dr. James Hansen: Throughout his long career, Dr. Hansen has developed a reputation for being consistently ahead of the scientific curve in his assessment of climate change and its implications, most famously in the summer of 1988 when, as director of the NASA Goddard Institute, he brought public attention to global warming in testimony to the United States Senate. Now retired from NASA and based at Columbia University, he’s still vigorously engaged in climate science and policy advocacy.]

    "Earth’s climate is much more sensitive to humanity’s carbon dioxide emissions [Emphasis added]than conventionally estimated. Taking into account feedbacks involving clouds, water vapour, snow cover and sea ice, “equilibrium climate sensitivity” – the eventual warming produced by a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere – is likely around 4.8 C, rather than the IPCC’s best estimate of 3 C." [!! Emphasis Added]]

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...mhAW4S4QM2hoOG

    The optimists on negative climate change should be more muted, perhaps.

    Bob A (Anthropogenicist)
    Sure Bob,
    Trudeau bought and paid for Globe and Mail and government-owned scientists. Of course, you would believe that over two Nobel Laureates and over 1800 scientists. After all, you consider the statement "There is No Climate Emergency" "bad faith." Yep, another pearl of wisdom by comrade Bob Armstrong!
    https://clintel.org/world-climate-declaration/



    World Climate Declaration plus all signatories in pdf
    Want to sign? Please fill in this form.


    Climate science should be less political, while climate policies should be more scientific. In particular, scientists should emphasize that their modeling output is not the result of magic: computer models are human-made. What comes out is fully dependent on what theoreticians and programmers have put in: hypotheses, assumptions, relationships, parameterizations, stability constraints, etc. Unfortunately, in mainstream climate science most of this input is undeclared.

    To believe the outcome of a climate model is to believe what the model makers have put in. This is precisely the problem of today’s climate discussion to which climate models are central. Climate science has degenerated into a discussion based on beliefs, not on sound self-critical science. We should free ourselves from the naïve belief in immature climate models. In the future, climate research must give significantly more emphasis to empirical science.
    There is no climate emergency


    A global network of over 1800 scientists and professionals has prepared this urgent message. Climate science should be less political, while climate policies should be more scientific. Scientists should openly address uncertainties and exaggerations in their predictions of global warming, while politicians should dispassionately count the real costs as well as the imagined benefits of their policy measures.

    Natural as well as anthropogenic factors cause warming

    The geological archive reveals that Earth’s climate has varied as long as the planet has existed, with natural cold and warm phases. The Little Ice Age ended as recently as 1850. Therefore, it is no surprise that we now are experiencing a period of warming.

    Warming is far slower than predicted

    The world has warmed significantly less than predicted by IPCC on the basis of modeled anthropogenic forcing. The gap between the real world and the modeled world tells us that we are far from understanding climate change.

    Climate policy relies on inadequate models

    Climate models have many shortcomings and are not remotely plausible as global policy tools. They blow up the effect of greenhouse gases such as CO2. In addition, they ignore the fact that enriching the atmosphere with CO2 is beneficial.

    CO2 is plant food, the basis of all life on Earth

    CO2 is not a pollutant. It is essential to all life on Earth. Photosynthesis is a blessing. More CO2 is beneficial for nature, greening the Earth: additional CO2 in the air has promoted growth in global plant biomass. It is also good for agriculture, increasing the yields of crops worldwide.

    Global warming has not increased natural disasters

    There is no statistical evidence that global warming is intensifying hurricanes, floods, droughts and suchlike natural disasters, or making them more frequent. However, there is ample evidence that CO2-mitigation measures are as damaging as they are costly.

    Climate policy must respect scientific and economic realities

    There is no climate emergency. Therefore, there is no cause for panic and alarm. We strongly oppose the harmful and unrealistic net-zero CO2 policy proposed for 2050. If better approaches emerge, and they certainly will, we have ample time to reflect and re-adapt. The aim of global policy should be ‘prosperity for all’ by providing reliable and affordable energy at all times. In a prosperous society men and women are well educated, birthrates are low and people care about their environment.

    Epilogue

    The World Climate Declaration (WCD) has brought a large variety of competent scientists together from all over the world*. The considerable knowledge and experience of this group is indispensable in reaching a balanced, dispassionate and competent view of climate change.

    From now onward the group is going to function as “Global Climate Intelligence Group”. The CLINTEL Group will give solicited and unsolicited advice on climate change and energy transition to governments and companies worldwide.

    * It is not the number of experts but the quality of arguments that counts

    World Climate Declaration plus all signatories in pdf
    World Climate Declaration AMBASSADORS

    NOBEL LAUREATE PROFESSOR JOHN F. CLAUSER / USA
    NOBEL LAUREATE PROFESSOR IVAR GIAEVER NORWAY/USA
    PROFESSOR GUUS BERKHOUT / THE NETHERLANDS
    DR. CORNELIS LE PAIR / THE NETHERLANDS
    PROFESSOR REYNALD DU BERGER / FRENCH SPEAKING CANADA
    BARRY BRILL / NEW ZEALAND
    VIV FORBES / AUSTRALIA
    DR. PATRICK MOORE / ENGLISH SPEAKING CANADA
    JENS MORTON HANSEN / DENMARK
    PROFESSOR LÁSZIÓ SZARKA / HUNGARY
    PROFESSOR SEOK SOON PARK / SOUTH KOREA
    PROFESSOR JAN-ERIK SOLHEIM / NORWAY
    STAVROS ALEXANDRIS / GREECE
    FERDINAND MEEUS / DUTCH SPEAKING BELGIUM
    PROFESSOR RICHARD LINDZEN / USA
    HENRI A. MASSON / FRENCH SPEAKING BELGIUM
    PROFESSOR INGEMAR NORDIN / SWEDEN
    JIM O’BRIEN / REPUBLIC OF IRELAND
    PROFESSOR IAN PLIMER / AUSTRALIA
    DOUGLAS POLLOCK / CHILE
    DR. BLANCA PARGA LANDA / SPAIN
    PROFESSOR ALBERTO PRESTININZI / ITALY
    PROFESSOR BENOÎT RITTAUD / FRANCE
    DR. THIAGO MAIA / BRAZIL
    PROFESSOR FRITZ VAHRENHOLT / GERMANY
    THE VISCOUNT MONCKTON OF BRENCHLEY / UNITED KINGDOM
    DUŠAN BIŽIĆ / CROATIA, BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA, SERBIA AND MONTE NEGRO


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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Negative Climate Change is a Reality

    ClimateChange2.jpg


    We should listen to a renowned scientist’s warning on climate change.

    [By: Thomas Homer-Dixon: executive director of the Cascade Institute at Royal Roads University and professor emeritus at the University of Waterloo.
    Scientist: Dr. James Hansen: Throughout his long career, Dr. Hansen has developed a reputation for being consistently ahead of the scientific curve in his assessment of climate change and its implications, most famously in the summer of 1988 when, as director of the NASA Goddard Institute, he brought public attention to global warming in testimony to the United States Senate. Now retired from NASA and based at Columbia University, he’s still vigorously engaged in climate science and policy advocacy.]

    "Earth’s climate is much more sensitive to humanity’s carbon dioxide emissions [Emphasis added]than conventionally estimated. Taking into account feedbacks involving clouds, water vapour, snow cover and sea ice, “equilibrium climate sensitivity” – the eventual warming produced by a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere – is likely around 4.8 C, rather than the IPCC’s best estimate of 3 C." [!! Emphasis Added]]

    https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opin...mhAW4S4QM2hoOG

    The optimists on negative climate change should be more muted, perhaps.

    Bob A (Anthropogenicist)
    Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Saturday, 25th November, 2023, 07:18 PM.

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  • Sid Belzberg
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    Astrophysicist, Piers Corbyn, dispels the fairy tale that CO2 controls the temperature of the planet: "The problem with the current climate change narrative is that it's false. It claims that carbon dioxide controls world temperatures, whereas actual data shows that it's world temperatures which control the carbon dioxide concentration."

    https://twitter.com/wideawake_media/status/1727302175867433289

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  • Pargat Perrer
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    Originally posted by Pargat Perrer View Post


    Just this past week, New York City suffered floods due to precipitation levels not seen in a single day since 1948. That's 75 bleeping years. The extent of the widespread damages is still being worked out.

    Guess what that is going to do to property insurance rates in New York City?

    Property Insurance companies are the canary in the coal mine; if you want to know whether we are in a climate emergency, follow the falling fortunes of the biggest property insurers and of their customers. Never mind what CO2 levels might have been hundreds of thousands of years ago.

    Yet more evidence that property insurance is the next big economic crisis* in the USA.... due to the effects of climate change....

    "If you're not worried, you're not paying attention."

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/insu...on/ar-AA1k9qNl


    * .... well, competing with it for next big economic crisis in the USA is the impending collapse of the commercial real estate market due to so much remote work after the pandemic, thus leaving many downtown office buildings in major cities mostly empty....
    Last edited by Pargat Perrer; Monday, 20th November, 2023, 05:00 AM.

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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Negative Climate Change

    How are we doing on our plan (Do we have one?) for Species Survival?


    "One Huge Contradiction Is Undoing Our Best Climate Efforts

    The math isn’t adding up.

    The world is still using more energy each year, our consumption ticking ever upward, swallowing any gains made by renewable energy. Emissions are still rising—more slowly than they used to but, nonetheless, rising. Instead of getting pushed down, that needle is fitfully jiggling above zero, clawing into the positive digits when it needs to be deeply pitched into the negative. We are, in other words, simply not making a dent."

    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/...+Weekly+Planet

    Bob A
    Last edited by Bob Armstrong; Thursday, 16th November, 2023, 07:45 AM.

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  • Bob Armstrong
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    Global Warming

    Pollution that prevents warming
    "But as air pollution falls, so too does the concentration of that particulate matter that happened to be deflecting a not-inconsiderable amount of solar radiation.
    One striking example is currently playing out on the high seas. In 2020, a new rule went into effect that sharply limited the amount of sulfur dioxide in shipping fuel. It substantially reduced air pollution, according to research by NASA.
    Yet it appears that the reduction in particulate matter is also letting more solar radiation in, contributing to global warming. An analysis by Carbon Brief estimated that the regulations will be responsible for increasing global temperatures by .05 degrees Celsius by 2050.
    That alone is not enough to explain the record high temperatures that have baked the globe this year. But scientists know it’s a factor, and every fraction of a degree counts. “We know that there’s an effect, but nobody has properly quantified it yet,” Visioni said."
    https://messaging-custom-newsletters...d396a4debfd6ce

    Bob A

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