New World Order (NWO), sometimes called the Great Reset

[Bob Armstrong]

Fred (Post # 24 - directly prior): A. "Can you give an example of such a wealthy human that is a directing mind"

For starters:

1. Koch Brothers......Republicans, in the past, have been very heavily funded by them. This puts the politician elected through their funds in a very vulnerable position to be directed.

International Conglomerates: Koch Industries (KI)- it owns:

Wikipedia

Flint Hills Resources, Georgia-Pacific, Guardian Industries, Infor, Invista, KBX, Koch Ag & Energy Solutions, Koch Engineered Solutions, Koch Investments Group, Koch Minerals & Trading, and Molex.

KI employs 122,000 people in 60 countries, with about half of its business in the United States.


2. George Soros: If you ask even the middle right, their whipping boy is George, the hidden mind behind many of the left parties in the world.

George Soros is a Hungarian-American business magnate, investor, philanthropist, and author who has a net worth of $25.2 billion. He is ranked as the 22nd richest person in the world. Soros made his fortune as a hedge fund manager and is now known for his donations to liberal causes.

International Conglomerates: George Soros is the owner of:

https://noblegoldinvestments.com/geo...ned-companies/ - gives extensive details on the operation of each of the companies listed:

Alphabet Inc.; Activision Blizzard; T-Mobile; Disney; General Motors; Wayfair Inc.;Salesforce.com, Inc.;Accenture plc; Caesars Entertainment Inc.;Qualcomm Inc.; and the site goes on to list 16 more companies.

3. The World's Richest Billionaires (2013 - 2022)

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#se...BxVkNNMBqCmrQV


B. Fred: "Can you [Bob] give an example of one of the "wealthy elite" who has actually got "the national levers of power", whoever they are, to act in their interest?

Those controlling the "National Levers of Power" directly are the governments of the world, some elected, some exist through force. Both are subject to the influence of the wealthy elite. The elite work covertly, and it is my bet that they do this somewhat loosely, not as some covert world committee - they communicate with each other on issues of importance to them. Obviously they do not put out minutes of their interactions with those who control national power; neither do the politicians involved disclose these contacts. The reason: this would be suicidal. So, obviously as well, no one involved on either side here has ever spoken to me personally about these things.

So, no, I don't know personally "One of the Wealthy Elite" involved.

Fred, I do not claim to be any expert on this.....much is written on it by others......a good source is the media called: The Breach. Wikipedia: The Breach is an online, Canadian news outlet launched on 10 March 2021 to provide reader- and viewer-supported reporting, analysis, and videos on issues such as racism, economic inequality, colonialism, and climate change (https://breachmedia.ca/)

You might also google "Deep State" - this is often categorized as a "Conspiracy Theory". It asserts that someone other than the national governments of the world is making the national decisions. So the question is: Is there enough evidence, or, at least some evidence, that this proposal is "fact"?

This is the question I personally am investigating, and my post is to ask other CT'ers to research it along with me and share here what they find out, either supportive or in opposition.

I do not have any archived full brief on this .......... I am busy in my life......I like to play tournament chess.....I have grandkids..........so I can only look at this as a layman without a lot of time to spend on it. I have had to research to increase my information.........I hope others here will be motivated also to do a bit of research......I hope for this to be a community question, not just my own personal one.

It seems to me one does what one can, even if it is just scratching the surface.

To me, this is a most important human issue.......we give governments power to rule us.......we need to know if the ones we elect are not the ones behind the decisions that govern us.


~ Bob A (T-S/P)

[Fred Henderson]

Where does the Power Really Lie? - Part I

December 28, 2016 - written by Bob Armstrong

Global Integration

There are many forces at work creating on Earth a new global village. In the current village, power appears divided among nation states. The question that arises is whether, with greater integration of planetary life in most areas, we can expect a companion integration of power of governance over the residents of the planet?

One force leading to world integration is rapidly advancing technology.

Another force is the rise of multi-national corporations in major economic areas, which have no national allegiances….they determine their own paths, and then try to influence the existing power brokers to set things up to favour them and their goals of profit maximization. These are vehicles of individuals who have some power in a limited domain. The goals of these individuals are most often driven purely by self-interest – to improve the status/wealth of these individuals within their own domain.

We see that the change in national cooperation as integration continues is reflected in national cooperation in the United Nations, and its many operating sections.

The Control Issue

The issue of interest to the ordinary planetary citizen is whether this rich elite of the world have designs beyond economic power? They must have certain global features in place for them to be successful, and often control over these features rests with national political power. A theory known as vertical integration would postulate that it would be in the interest of the wealthy elite to take control of the political system, since then they would not be dependent to continue their world strategy on wild card government fickleness. National governments could decide not to cooperate, and pose road-blocks to “progress”.

There are wealthy humans that are the directing minds behind all the international conglomerates…..it is they that work out the strategies for profit maximization on the economic front, and national borders are no obstacle……..they can get the national levers of power to act in their interest. The interesting fact is that all these wealthy elite directing minds think the same way.

Dare we assume they know each other? Dare we assume that they talk world business with each other? Dare we assume that they cooperate economically through their corporations, and in helping influence political activity for the benefit of some friend (And his/her corporation)? If they require from the political sector, certain concessions to operate at maximum velocity, dare we assume that they are entering into a role affecting governance? And if so, why does the political sector cooperate? Dare we suggest that these directing minds work in concert to get their political needs met? Dare we assume it is because they in fact have some control over parts of the political governance in the world?

If there is no deliberate conspiracy of elite individuals, then is there just a subconscious direction of the like-minded to assert world power so as to maximize the benefit to themselves, the owners/shareholders of these profit-making vehicles?

Which is it? And whichever it is, how far implemented is it at this point in world integration?

What evidence is there, if any, that might point to the fact that the wealthy elite are pursuing direct or indirect control of national political power, and thus global power (This is referred to as “world oligarchy” – rule by the wealthy elite of the world)?

Some Publicly-known Global Elite Organizations

Here are some of the known public organizations of the elite, none of which will acknowledge any role in attempting to govern the planet (Though they clearly state their goals of “influencing” certain aspects of global life):

1. Tri-lateral Commission:

Founded – 1973
Founder – David Rockefeller
Type – Annual conference
Location – Washington, D.C. (main meeting place); Paris; Tokyo
Members – More than 390
Key people – Joseph S. Nye, Jr. (North American chairman)
Yasuchika Hasegawa (Pacific Asian chairman)
Jean-Claude Trichet (European chairman)
Website – www.trilateral.org

Stated Purpose originally – to foster closer cooperation among North America, Western Europe, and Japan. [Wikipedia]

Current purpose (Or companion purpose) – ??

2. The Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg conference, Bilderberg meetings or Bilderberg Club

This is an annual private conference of 120 to 150 people of the European and North American political elite, experts from industry, finance, academia, and the media, established in 1954.

Goal – The group’s original goal of promoting Atlanticism, of strengthening US-European relations and preventing another world war has grown; the Bilderberg Group’s theme is to “bolster a consensus around free market Western capitalism and its interests around the globe” [Wikipedia]

Current Purpose (Or companion purpose) – ??

3.The Mont Pelerin Society (MPS)

This is an international organization composed of economists (including eight winners of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences), philosophers, historians, intellectuals, business leaders, and others committed to their understanding of personal and political freedom.[2

Founders: included Friedrich Hayek, Frank Knight, Karl Popper, Ludwig von Mises, George Stigler, and Milton Friedman.[2]

Original Purpose: The society advocates freedom of expression, free market economic policies, the political values of an open society. The members see the Society as an effort to interpret in modern terms the fundamental principles of economic society as expressed by those classical economists, political scientists, and philosophers who have inspired many in Europe, America and throughout the Western World. [Wikipedia]

Current Purpose (Or companion purpose) – ??

hmm, I read through this entire post, and I don't see your point. What are you driving at? Are you saying these are bad things? Let's focus on the following paragraph.

"There are wealthy humans that are the directing minds behind all the international conglomerates…..it is they that work out the strategies for profit maximization on the economic front, and national borders are no obstacle……..they can get the national levers of power to act in their interest. The interesting fact is that all these wealthy elite directing minds think the same w

Can you give an example of such a wealthy human that is a directing mind behind an international conglomerate, and while you are at it, give an example of such a conglomerate.

Can you give an example of one of the "wealthy elite" who has actually got "the national levers of power", whoever they are, to act in their interest? Then maybe you explain why I should care, Nobody has ever been able to explain this sort of thing, that I can see, and even if it were true, no-one has ever been able to explain how it hurts me. Usually they will eventually say "What don't you understand what I am telling you?", or maybe they will say "If you can't see the obvious, then you will never be able to understand what am telling you?

[Bob Armstrong]

ChessTalk New World Order (NWO) (Sometimes referred to as the Great Reset) Thread


Week # 2 (22/12/13 – 19 – 7 days)

(Sometimes Adjusted for no. of days)

Weekly Stats:
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Last Week's......Prior Week's........Views/Day..........Last Week's.....Prior Week's......Responses/Day
Views/Day........Views/Day.............(2 wks.)............Responses/Day....Resp./Day......... (2 wks.).

...17........................23..........................22........................1....................2.........................1.........

Analysis of Last Weeks Stats

The number of views and responses was OK for just the second week of the thread.

We have a core group of CT'ers following.

NWO Thread “Responses”

There are lots of articles out there on NWO, the Great Reset, globalization on many fronts, world free-trade, and higher governments stomping on the wishes of the local residents, and their local government.

This thread encourages CT'ers on all sides to re-post here, as responses, the NWO posts of interest they see elsewhere.

Note: I personally, as the thread originator, am trying to post a new response at least twice per week, but admit my busy schedule means I am sometimes falling short on this. So it is going to be necessary that a number of other CT'ers are posting responses here somewhat regularly.

The Time Line

There is much disagreement whether the New World Order project actually exists. There are those who simply relegate it to the realm of “conspiracy theories, such as Qanon.

But there are others, including myself, who assert that already a covert group of much influence is directing government law and policy, in nations across the globe, and incrementally implementing the pieces of an eventual one-world government. We fear this is not good in the long run.

Some of us propose:

1. Nations dissolve themselves, and, in the process, devolve power down to Local Political Units (LPU's).

1. That eventually the world will become a “collection of villages”.
2. The goal is to significantly lessen the power of governments, so as to make any geopolitical conflicts less dangerous for the globe.

We invite CT'ers to consider this position and to post here, their thoughts on it.

~ Bob (T-S/P)

[Sid Belzberg]

Here is someone's "deep dive" into the Great Reset in a series of tweets that is an excellent summary of how climate change Covid19 etc are all interrelated.

https://twitter.com/gummibear737/sta...37222354722822

[Bob Armstrong]

Next will be: Snitch Line - advise us if your family member, friend, neighbour or enemy expresses a minority point of view!! $ 500 gift for being a good citizen!

~ Bob A (T-S/P)

[Tom O'Donnell]

New Zealand security services launch initiative to help public identify warning signs of violent extremism | Newshub

New Zealand becomes East Germany 2.0.

[Bob Armstrong]

ChessTalk New World Order (NWO) (Sometimes referred to as the Great Reset) Thread

Week # 1 (22/12/5 – 12 – 8 days)

(Sometimes Adjusted for no. of days)

Weekly Stats:
.....................................................2022 Average..........................................................2022 Average
Last Week's......Prior Week's........Views/Day..........Last Week's.....Prior Week's......Responses/Day
Views/Day........Views/Day.............(1 wk.)............Responses/Day....Resp./Day......... (1 wk.).

...23........................n/a..........................23........................2....................n/a.........................2.........

Analysis of Last Weeks Stats

The number of views and responses was good for the first week of the thread.

We have a core group of CT'ers following.

NWO Thread “Responses

There are lots of articles out there on NWO, the Great Reset, globalization on many fronts, world free-trade, and higher governments stomping on the wishes of the local residents, and their local government.

This thread encourages CT'ers on all sides to re-post here, as responses, the NWO posts of interest they see elsewhere.

Note: I personally, as the thread originator, am trying to post a new response at least twice per week, but admit my busy schedule means I am sometimes falling short on this. So it is going to be necessary that a number of other CT'ers are posting responses here somewhat regularly.

The Time Line

There is much disagreement whether the New World Order project actually exists. There are those who simply relegate it to the realm of “conspiracy theories, such as Qanon.

But there are others, including myself, who assert that already a covert group of much influence is directing government law and policy, in nations across the globe, and incrementally implementing the pieces of an eventual one-world government. We fear this is not good in the long run.

Some of us propose:

1. Nations dissolve themselves, and, in the process, devolve power down to Local Political Units (LPU's).
2. That eventually the world will become a “collection of villages”.
3. The goal is to significantly lessen the power of governments, so as to make any geopolitical conflicts less dangerous for the globe.

We invite CT'ers to consider this position and to post here, their thoughts on it.

~ Bob (T-S/P)

[Bob Armstrong]

Collection of Villages

Yesterday in another CT thread, Dilip Panjwani complimented me, as I understand it, on my position of trying to minimize state conflict on the planet.

His statement of my geopolitical view was: "One World - One Nation".

However, I feel this description is somewhat ambiguous, and capable of being twisted into my promoting something which is anathema to me. So here are my comments about this in the other thread, which are quite relevant to this thread:

Me re your description: Your description captures my intent of finding a human governing structure that dramatically ratchets down national conflicts. But it does make me nervous. As you know, there are groups/individuals who are already in the process of seeking to establish a one-world authority. This is the project known as the "New World Order (NWO)".

I am strongly against this as a human world goal.

For those who term this simply a "conspiracy theory", and not fact, they say the one-world authority is to be a totalitarian government that will suspend all civil rights, but will seek to produce happiness for all. This is certainly one of the on-the-ground possibilities, if one believes the NWO to be in the process of implementation in the past, and now. But, in my view the evidence is not yet sufficient to draw this conclusion.......many left-wing political theories support centralized planning and free-trade globalization.

My Position: Nations need to dissolve themselves into a "Collection of Villages". This limits the power of any local government (Which I term "Local Political Units (LPU's)). There will be tin pot dictators elected in an LPU, or they may somehow seize control, but their ability to disturb the whole world order will be minimal, compared to the power of states today. As nations do this, the world will become more equal, hopefully. LPU's will provide for their citizens. If needed, LPU's may temporarily create a higher level committee, to be able to accomplish things they cannot do on their own. Once completed, this temporary committee, with the power it has been granted, is terminated. LPU's will not have any "Over-Government". For example, the Ontario premier's penchant for over-riding local concerns, because "cities are the creatures of the province", will not be possible.

~ Bob A (T-S/P)

[Bob Armstrong]

Hi Tom:

I think you and I agree on something...........the Mainstream Press, whether private (read Oligarchs) or public (In Canada - don't bit the hand that feeds you too strongly), are no longer a reliable part of the "Government Public Opposition", if they are ever in opposition at all!

This is a milestone, Tom, if I have your position right (No pun intended).

~ Bob A (T-S/P)

[Sid Belzberg]

Comprehensive Information on the Great Rest, replete with a documentary

https://vk.com/@secretxgovernment-th...ed-documentary

[Tom O'Donnell]

Example of government and the press being in cahoots:

Benny Johnson on Twitter: "Room goes SILENT after Karine Jean-Pierre accidentally reads the WRONG script LIVE on air "I think I got ahead of myself there..." https://t.co/9MAVTcWCFk" / Twitter

The press is supposed to be a natural opposition of the government, no matter who is in it.

[Bob Armstrong]

Globalization & The New World Order

Health

The World Health Organization

"The WHO states the global pandemic treaty will determine future pandemic requirements for individual countries, such as lockdowns, and that these requirements will be “legally binding.”....
Earlier this year, the WHO and the German health minister said that countries disobeying regulations dictated by the WHO through their pandemic treaty might need to be sanctioned."

https://thecountersignal.com/who-mem...0_-b6e9f39e09-[LIST_EMAIL_ID]&fbclid=IwAR2smPMikBx_VWwbwk_sXWhpfE1h5xlLtdNRIxp2fQoRjiNI50t31qyu59g

Incremental implementation of a new One-World Government?

~ Bob A (T-S/P)

[Bob Armstrong]

Wikipedia classes the New World Order among current "conspiracy" theories.

The New World Order (NWO) is a conspiracy theory which hypothesizes a secretly emerging totalitarian world government.^{[3][4][5][6][7]}

The common theme in conspiracy theories about a New World Order is that a secretive power elite with a globalist agenda is conspiring to eventually rule the world through an authoritarian one-world government—which will replace sovereign nation-states—and an all-encompassing propaganda whose ideology hails the establishment of the New World Order as the culmination of history's progress. Many influential historical and contemporary figures have therefore been alleged to be part of a cabal that operates through many front organizations to orchestrate significant political and financial events, ranging from causing systemic crises to pushing through controversial policies, at both national and international levels, as steps in an ongoing plot to achieve world domination.^{[3][4][5][6][7]}

Before the early 1990s, New World Order conspiracism was limited to two American countercultures, primarily the militantly anti-government right, and secondarily the part of fundamentalist Christianity concerned with the end-time emergence of the Antichrist.^[8] Academics who study conspiracy theories and religious extremism, such as Michael Barkun and Chip Berlet, observed that right-wing populist conspiracy theories about a New World Order had not only been embraced by many seekers of stigmatized knowledge but had seeped into popular culture, thereby inaugurating a period during the late 20th and early 21st centuries in the United States where people are actively preparing for apocalyptic millenarian scenarios.^[4][6] Those political scientists are concerned that mass hysteria over New World Order conspiracy theories could eventually have devastating effects on American political life, ranging from escalating lone-wolf terrorism to the rise to power of authoritarian ultranationalist demagogues.

Do CT'ers see anything evidencing any part of the New World Order hypothesis? Is there really no evidence at all that points to globalization aiming eventually towards a World Government of some kind (Among which, an autocratic government is simply one possibility)?

~ Bob A (T-S/P)

[Dilip Panjwani]

Hi Dilip:

Bad choice of wording......

We will not live any differently than now.......except........we will not belong to a "Nation" any longer. We will be part of a Local Political Unit which will have a geographic boundary, and the residents will elect their local government, and the LPU will have had devolved to it the powers needed to provide the services the residents want, subject to being able to pay for it. There will continue to be private property as there is now.

They type of government in the LPU will be determined by some type of direct democracy..........they could choose "Libertarian" or "Democratic Marxist"!

Did I allay your fears?

~ Bob A (T-S/P)

Hi Bob,
The system most in keeping with 'Natural Law' and the most just to all is undoubtedly Libertarianism... why would anyone adopt anything else, and create a mess, like what all governments of today do?

[Bob Armstrong]

Hi Dilip:

Bad choice of wording......

We will not live any differently than now.......except........we will not belong to a "Nation" any longer. We will be part of a Local Political Unit which will have a geographic boundary, and the residents will elect their local government, and the LPU will have had devolved to it the powers needed to provide the services the residents want, subject to being able to pay for it. There will continue to be private property as there is now.

They type of government in the LPU will be determined by some type of direct democracy..........they could choose "Libertarian" or "Democratic Marxist"!

Did I allay your fears?

~ Bob A (T-S/P)