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Societies based on "Cooperation" are superior to those based on "Competition".
The goal is to evolve.......and that does NOT mean eliminate the contributing, entrepreneur individual.
Bob A
Cooperation is highly applauded in Libertarianism. And it understands that cooperation involves 'give and take'. Marxism, on the other hand fails to understand that, and believes in only take-take-take from the hard and smart working...
Competition also has its merits, and as a chess player you should have known that...
Evolution requires both cooperation and competition.
Last edited by Dilip Panjwani; Tuesday, 7th May, 2024, 08:40 AM.
Folks like Bob "Click Bait" A., will never admit the true power of the Individual. Never.
To have an idea, grow that idea, protect that idea, OWN that idea ... is far beyond the understanding of folks like Bob "Click Bait" A.
Folks like Bob "Click Bait" A., can only aspire to slither along with a putrid pathetic dependency collective. A woke, collective at that, ha!
To folks like Bob "Click Bait" A. ... the Individual is a THREAT.
What a sad commentary ....
so ALL ideas are good? ALL ideas should be encouraged?
LOL here are some "ideas" for you....
- you will own nothing and be happy
- digital currency for the whole world, controlled by government
- mRNA vaccines for the whole world (yeah Neil, thought you'd really love that one)
- nuclear fission power plants built on MAJOR earthquake fault lines (Fuckushima Japan)
- keep the world on fossil fuels as long as possible
- defund the arts, it has no value to society
- defund mental health treatments, let the mentally ill roam our streets and even our schools, and let them have guns
LOL yes the individuals who have these ideas and many many other ideas ARE threats.
In DM, rewards will be determined by what you need, not by what you deserve...hence people will be busy proving to the powers that be, the politicians and their appointees, what their needs are, and not be busy producing stuff to generate rewards... Libertarianism rewards only the hard & smart working, get it?
Folks like Bob "Click Bait" A., will never admit the true power of the Individual. Never.
To have an idea, grow that idea, protect that idea, OWN that idea ... is far beyond the understanding of folks like Bob "Click Bait" A.
Folks like Bob "Click Bait" A., can only aspire to slither along with a putrid pathetic dependency collective. A woke, collective at that, ha!
To folks like Bob "Click Bait" A. ... the Individual is a THREAT.
OK - let's agree.......there are some in society who "lick the a..es of their government appointed superiors and politicians, and can play around with the myriad of contradictory laws, can enjoy life without ever being productive..."
But they are a negligible number in society.
Why do you keep "implying" that this is a "majority" in society, and then take it back when confronted?
Your point, if I can say, is that these people will become the majority under a Democratic Marxist government........a bald smear, wrong, and with no proof....just a bad speculative opinion.
DM will generate a good society based more on "Cooperation" than "Competition".........though it also will be far from perfect.......but better than any Libertarian society.
Bob A
In DM, rewards will be determined by what you need, not by what you deserve...hence people will be busy proving to the powers that be, the politicians and their appointees, what their needs are, and not be busy producing stuff to generate rewards... Libertarianism rewards only the hard & smart working, get it?
Last edited by Dilip Panjwani; Monday, 6th May, 2024, 06:40 AM.
OK - let's agree.......there are some in society who "lick the a..es of their government appointed superiors and politicians, and can play around with the myriad of contradictory laws, can enjoy life without ever being productive..."
But they are a negligible number in society.
Why do you keep "implying" that this is a "majority" in society, and then take it back when confronted?
Your point, if I can say, is that these people will become the majority under a Democratic Marxist government........a bald smear, wrong, and with no proof....just a bad speculative opinion.
DM will generate a good society based more on "Cooperation" than "Competition".........though it also will be far from perfect.......but better than any Libertarian society.
DM is not overturning all of society norms; it is set on tweaking the system to make it more just and equal.
Bob A (Democratic Marxism)
Every tweak made by Marxist-minded politicians in Canada in its history of a century and half, has reduced the buying power of the CAD, made us less productive, and made all of us poorer than we were in 1867 (despite scientific advances rescuing us in a big way so far); and inequality persists, the only difference being that instead of the hard-working and smart being richer, the a.s lickers and the crooked are less poorer...
"while those who can lick the a..es of their government appointed superiors and politicians, and can play around with the myriad of contradictory laws, can enjoy life without ever being productive..."
I suggest you look at whether your life view on this issue is "elitist, demeaning and dismissive" re the majority of hard-working, low-income Canadians. I do fear you reflect a fundamental view of Libertarianism.
Bob A
Please read my post again, as you seem to have misunderstood it (hopefully you are not assuming the trolling role of your nasty troll friend): I was not referring to the hard-working, low income Canadians at all. They are to be applauded for continuing to work hard, despite the fact that our almost-Marxist system does not reward them adequately and only favors those who can lick the a..es of their government appointed superiors and politicians, and play around with the myriad of contradictory laws...
Get it?
Question many have of DM: DM will have both an Income, Goods and Services, and Wealth tax, as now, only on a more progressive scale.
Successful entrepreneurs will still be monetarily rewarded, as now, though less extensively and grotesquely. They will have an appropriate "success" reputation, as now. As intelligent electors, I would expect their opinion to be respected and considered re societal issues......I know this will surprise those busy trying to smear Democratic Marxism.
DM is not overturning all of society norms; it is set on tweaking the system to make it more just and equal.
In this sense, Democratic Marxism is, I guess, less radical that old-style USSR Communism (Hate to admit DM is not very radical). But it is a step left from Democratic Socialism.
Bob A (Democratic Marxism)
Ok, so since Marxism calls for the tyrannical step of the abolishment of private property that you appear not to support, why have the word
"Marxism" included in your party's name?
Question many have of DM: DM will have both an Income, Goods and Services, and Wealth tax, as now, only on a more progressive scale.
Successful entrepreneurs will still be monetarily rewarded, as now, though less extensively and grotesquely. They will have an appropriate "success" reputation, as now. As intelligent electors, I would expect their opinion to be respected and considered re societal issues......I know this will surprise those busy trying to smear Democratic Marxism.
DM is not overturning all of society norms; it is set on tweaking the system to make it more just and equal.
In this sense, Democratic Marxism is, I guess, less radical that old-style USSR Communism (Hate to admit DM is not very radical). But it is a step left from Democratic Socialism.
I totally agree Sid - as a former small time, low income neighbourhood, community organizer, and as having had low-income clients most of my career, micro-banking has worked wonders.
This will continue in Democratic Marxism - only the favoured corporate structure will be worker cooperatives (Not to exclude the other option of small, owner-owned, private corporations).
Micro-banking helped poor would-be entreprenuers when introduced into Africa years ago (That is when I became first aware of it).
Bob A
So, I have a question, Bob, based on a true story. An entrepreneur gets a microloan for $300.00 and buys some products that are sold online for $3000.00. Next, the $3000.00 is used to buy more inventory that is promptly sold for $30,000, and so on. Over a year, this person amasses $1,000.0000.00 in the bank. How would DM deal with a formerly poor person who quickly ascended to the top one percent?
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Sunday, 5th May, 2024, 08:47 AM.
"while those who can lick the a..es of their government appointed superiors and politicians, and can play around with the myriad of contradictory laws, can enjoy life without ever being productive..."
I suggest you look at whether your life view on this issue is "elitist, demeaning and dismissive" re the majority of hard-working, low-income Canadians. I do fear you reflect a fundamental view of Libertarianism.
I totally agree Sid - as a former small time, low income neighbourhood, community organizer, and as having had low-income clients most of my career, micro-banking has worked wonders.
This will continue in Democratic Marxism - only the favoured corporate structure will be worker cooperatives (Not to exclude the other option of small, owner-owned, private corporations).
Micro-banking helped poor would-be entreprenuers when introduced into Africa years ago (That is when I became first aware of it).
A very good question, Bob.
The answer lies in the world's progressive shift towards 'socialism' (Argentina may be an exception), which makes us dependent on the 'government' instead of looking after ourselves and our circles, and in this almost Marxist world, the corrupt politicians have created so many stupid laws & systems, that even if one is willing to work hard and smart, he/she has almost insurmountable obstacles in doing so, while those who can lick the a..es of their government appointed superiors and politicians, and can play around with the myriad of contradictory laws, can enjoy life without ever being productive...
The way out of this mess seems to be Libertarianism, with enforcement of the Natural Law and easy access to capital.
Interestingly, Bangladesh is living proof of easy access to capital being a vital part of their economy via The Grameen bank microloan program starting in the 1980s
Poverty Reduction: Grameen Bank's microcredit programs have helped millions of poor individuals lift themselves out of poverty by providing them with access to capital to start small businesses. This has led to improved living standards and reduced reliance on subsistence farming or menial labor.
Women's Empowerment: The Grameen Bank has played a crucial role in empowering women in Bangladesh. By providing them with access to credit and financial services, women have been able to generate their income, become financially independent, and contribute to household decision-making. This has resulted in greater gender equality and women's participation in economic activities.
Job Creation: The businesses funded by Grameen Bank loans have created employment opportunities, both directly and indirectly, in rural areas where traditional job opportunities are scarce. This has helped stimulate local economies and reduce urban migration.
Entrepreneurship Development: Grameen Bank's model of providing small loans without collateral has encouraged entrepreneurship among the poor. Many borrowers have used the loans to start small businesses, ranging from agriculture to handicrafts to retail, fostering a culture of entrepreneurship and innovation.
Social Impact: Beyond economic benefits, Grameen Bank has had significant social impacts. It has promoted social cohesion and community development by fostering self-help groups and encouraging collective responsibility among borrowers. Moreover, the bank's emphasis on education and healthcare has led to improvements in these areas among its borrowers and their families.
Overall, the Grameen Bank has been instrumental in transforming the lives of millions of poor Bangladeshis, contributing to poverty reduction, women's empowerment, and economic development in the country. Its innovative microcredit model has inspired similar initiatives worldwide, demonstrating the potential of microfinance as a tool for inclusive growth and development.
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