Prediction - US Presidential 2024

[Vlad Drkulec]

1) Nowadays "literally" means "figuratively" in a hyperbolic way. We know this from the Rachel Maddow defense vs OAN. (Search for the word "literally" to see the relevant part).

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2) Tracking down the dozens of TV examples would be tedious. Here's some links to online articles from allegedly reputable sources. I think they are all garbage.

The Scary Parallels Between Trump and Mussolini — History News Network

Trump Is Speaking Like Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini - The Atlantic

Opinion: Would Trump stop free elections? Hitler and Mussolini's paths could be a clue - Los Angeles Times

MSNBC’s Claire McCaskill Argues Trump ‘Even More Dangerous’ Than Hitler: ‘The Only Philosophy He Has’ is Self-Interest

After Calling Foes ‘Vermin,’ Trump Campaign Warns Its Critics Will Be ‘Crushed’ - The New York Times

I think the interesting point of all this is that by crying wolf over and over, they lost all credibility. Once you lose credibility its hard to get it back. Without credibility and likeability, you don't have influence. Baron Trump may have been the secret weapon in appealing to young men as he told Trump who he was listening to and Donald went on all of the relevant podcasts.

[Bob Armstrong]

The first consequence of the Trump victory was a surge in the stock market.

This does not help the ordinary working person in the USA......money made for shareholders.

Let's see what other benefits come to the elite.......the ordinary smart-working Trump elector will, in the long run, find they are still being left behind.



24/11/9 Report from Helms Deep

[Dilip Panjwani]

The first consequence of the Trump victory was a surge in the stock market.

This does not help the ordinary working person in the USA......money made for shareholders.

Let's see what other benefits come to the elite.......the ordinary smart-working Trump elector will, in the long run, find they are still being left behind.



24/11/9 Report from Helms Deep

Good to hear from Helms Deep!
btw, workers' pension fund, insurance funds, etc. are all invested in the stock market, and would benefit. Also the companies would be able to issue more shares to expand their business, thereby creating a higher demand for workers, which translates into higher wages...
Nevertheless if you believe that the system of stock markets is overall a negative for society, and a necessary evil of Capitalism, you are right... the good news for you is that in Libertarianism, they would not be necessary, because of the system of easy access to capital and 'co-operative' ventures by individuals who actually run the company, entrepreneurs and workers together... almost like your Marxism but with total freedom from government harassment....

[Bob Armstrong]

Democratic Marxism & Libertarianism

Our resident Libertarian - agrees that DM's view of Capitalism/The Stock Market........(drum roll)....is CORRECT!

Dilip (Post 243): "if you believe that the system of stock markets is overall a negative for society, and a necessary evil of Capitalism, you are right... "

Then Dilip gets confused:

"the good news for you is that in Libertarianism, they would not be necessary.."

Sorry Dilip, BUT Libertarianism IS one of the types of Capitalism (The worst form - Wild West Capitalism - no regulatory reigning in of Capitalism's worst excesses [Right - The Natural Law is going to do it - sigh]).

At least Social Democracy (Scandinavian - Another type of Capitalism) does, somewhat effectively, use regulatory control of Capitalism, and has succeeded in being dubbed: "Capitalism with a human face".



24/11/10 Helms Deep Report

[NOTE: Since there is now a new Fb thread, The Trump 2nd Term, I will stop posting here, and go there. Trump has resoundingly conned the majority of Americans - the election is over; there will be an orderly transition of power; lets see what the Republicans do with absolute administrative control. This is the purpose of the new thread.......I fear the coming Helms Deep Reports will be somewhat disconcerting to the Trump electorate.]

[Dilip Panjwani]

Bob, as Tom had indicated here on chesstalk quite a while ago, Libertarian can be considered 'on the left' also.
The fact is that it brings the best from the Left and the Right, while getting rid of the stupidity on both sides. You need to try some memory boosting and thought-clarifying pills, if available in Helms Deep, Bob.

[Bob Armstrong]

Dilip - I'll check with my naturopath and my osteopathy torturer!

Bob

[Pargat Perrer]

Hi Bob.

The phrase you are looking for is "be careful what you wish for, you might just get it"

I am under the weather with a cold, not TDS. Thank god the election is finally over.
I haven't the strength nor the inclination to argue on chesstalk, but have been listening to a variety of voices to understand why my prediction was wrong.
Now that the fever pitch of the election is over, some pundits are giving a more thoughtful analysis of what happened. But some are not.

I was going to share a few nuggets of insight, but my headache is not allowing it.
I will save it for another day.

Relax....hmmmmm

Bob G. here is an analysis article you might be interested to read:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/polit...on/ar-AA1tRhNX

It seems that Bernie Sanders was the best chance the left ever had to get on the right path, and instead HIllary defended neoliberalism and we are on this path now. Still, there is opportunity ... there is a leadership vacuum coming for the Democrats and meanwhile the red sweep might even be favorable ... in the sense that the next 4 years wiill unleash so much chaos around the world that a Trump admin will be unable to handle and will only exacerbate the financial uncertainty that triggered the anti-Harris/Biden and pro-Trump vote.

Basically that is why I wrote about people of the left curtailing almost all frivolous spending ... to further sink the economy and make things worse for the new administration. But of course no one will actually DO that and so the US deficit will continue to spiral out of control. Eventually the frivolous spending will become necessary because there will be an almost total loss of disposable income for most families. We will see in the next 2 years an insurance-industry led collapse of major magnitude, greater than the mortgage security crisis of 2008. Real estate assets will plummet in value because they will become uninsurable. This isn't just Florida and California -- midwestern states Minnesota, Missouri, Iowa, Illinois -- yes, Illinois! -- are now on a list of states with declining insurance options and increasing insurance costs for home and property owners, and the word "crisis" is already being used even for those states. I forgot to save the link to that article, sorry.

So that is my big prediction for the next 2 years of the red sweep. Property insurance crisis causing domino effect and financial carnage around entire U.S. Hey, give me some respect, I correctly predicted the Trump sweep of the battleground states.

How did I do that? I let go of all personal biases. I didn't predict what I secretly wished for.

It takes courage and clearing of the mind to do that.

If you really want to know why your prediction went wrong ... listen to Tom O'Donnell when he says you were brainwashed by the mainstream media. It wasn't a deliberate act ... they themselves were brainwashed. It was just to EASY to believe a simple notion like Americans doing what is in their own self-interest which was taken to mean preserving democracy and caring about abortion. No ... on election night, on CBS news, they interviewed an auto union member who had just voted. He said he voted Trump, and they asked him why. "He promised to stop taxation on overtime pay." Ok, anecdotal evidence ... but it contains a message that turned out to be overwhelmingly the CORRECT message.

Message: "I'll vote for what improves my wallet .. over and above ANY OTHER thing." And Trump was seen as just that.

This is what the Hispanics did also. They as a conglomerate can no longer be seen as weaned to the Democratic tit. They are now more than ever beyond 1st-gen citizens and they want to branch out and become part of the business economy, so they like hearing Trump's reduction of corporate taxes for one thing. I do believe this shift in Hispanic voting, more than any other single thing, caused Harris to lose the "Blue Wall" and all the battleground states.

All of these people are in for the type of shock that Bob A. posted, and yes, as you said, "be careful what you wish for". Because the policies of Trump will only WORSEN the influences causing the financial stresses in working class families today.

By the way .... speaking of predictions .... this isn't mine, but I thought I'd mention it because it is VERY FAR OUT THERE ....

A Youtube channeler (whose identity I will withhold for now) had this near-term predicition that she says was delivered to her right after the election ....

(1) Joe Biden will either die or become incapacitated before the January 20th inauguration ... well before it, very soon, so that Kamala Harris will briefly become President.

now if you think that is unlikely, here's the kicker....

(2) Donald Trump will die or become incapacitated before the January 20th inauguration ... which means after a brief Kamala Harris Presidency, J.D. Vance will be sworn in as President on January 20th!!!

I agree the odds against this are astronomical ... except that Biden and Trump are both very very old .... :)

If this all comes true, I will reveal the channeler's name and a link to her prediction. I saved it and I downloaded the video of her making the prediction.

[Bob Gillanders]

Bob G. here is an analysis article you might be interested to read:
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/polit...on/ar-AA1tRhNX

It seems that Bernie Sanders was the best chance the left ever had to get on the right path,

Thanks, just got around to reading that article. I very much enjoy listening to Thom Hartmann.

Yes, if they had given Bernie a fair shake back in 2016 or in 2020, if only.......

But every time I mention Bernie, some on chesstalk freak out and call me a communist.

Kamala should have done Joe Rogan podcast, Bernie did 5 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vewj...annel=JREClips

[Bob Gillanders]

OMG, no wonder they lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ8w...hannel=NBCNews

[Vlad Drkulec]

OMG, no wonder they lost.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQ8w...hannel=NBCNews

You are ignoring the fact that the candidate was exceptionally bad with lots of video footage of her saying very dumb things that came back to haunt her. They were such dumb things that Donald Trump was "fact-checked" at the debate for saying absurd things about Kamala that were true. She was an absurd candidate whose answer to any difficult question was," You know I was born into a middle class family" and other non-sequitors. Anyway the election is done and I shall likely move on to more productive endeavours.

[Bob Gillanders]

You are ignoring the fact that the candidate was exceptionally bad with lots of video footage of her saying very dumb things

No argument here.......her dumb things were only surpassed by two other candidates, Joe Biden and Donald Trump.
Americans had no good choices for 2024.

[Bob Armstrong]

There is obviously something wrong in the party system in USA - how could in 2020 the Candidates be elder seniors (Biden/Trump), and then similarly, to start in 2024, the two Candidates were.....drum roll..........Biden/Trump.

Each party had both times some very attractive and competent younger politicians. They were weeded out by each party, or they never got into the primaries.

It seems in Canada, that somehow, younger, good politicians can rise to the top.

Bob A

[Dilip Panjwani]

Thanks, just got around to reading that article. I very much enjoy listening to Thom Hartmann.

Yes, if they had given Bernie a fair shake back in 2016 or in 2020, if only.......

But every time I mention Bernie, some on chesstalk freak out and call me a communist.

Kamala should have done Joe Rogan podcast, Bernie did 5 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vewj...annel=JREClips

Hey Bob G,
I agree with you that Bernie has correctly identified what the problem in our society has been: "$$ being used to make more $$, and to harm others".
Unfortunately, his so-called solution is equally bad: "rob the rich"; he does not understand that two wrongs do not make a right.
The surest way to prevent $$ from harming others is by diligent enforcement of the Natural Law, and enabling easy access to capital for all!!!

[Bob Gillanders]

There is obviously something wrong in the party system in USA - how could in 2020 the Candidates be elder seniors (Biden/Trump), and then similarly, to start in 2024, the two Candidates were.....drum roll..........Biden/Trump.

Each party had both times some very attractive and competent younger politicians. They were weeded out by each party, or they never got into the primaries.

It seems in Canada, that somehow, younger, good politicians can rise to the top.

Bob A

In 2010 there was a court case called Citizen United. The result was to open up the US political system to unlimited dark money. Since then, money has been flooding in and corrupting the system. It has become an auction for buying politicians. Now it is simply a contest between billionaires.

[Bob Armstrong]

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The Oligarchy Emerges from the Shadows



They've funded Trump all three elections, becoming Semi-Public.

Now some want to be in the spotlight!

So who now has "effective" control of Government?

Bob A (Dem. Marxist)