Canada & Progressives

[Bob Armstrong]

Carney announces trade war relief, pledges to expedite infrastructure projects

Liberal Party of Canada

Prime Minister Mark Carney announced on Friday a relief package for workers and companies hurt by the trade war that U.S. President Donald Trump started and pledged a suite of measures to expedite major infrastructure and resource-extraction projects.

“It’s high time we built things we’ve never imagined, at a speed we’ve never seen,” the prime minister said Friday, just days before a federal election campaign is expected to begin Sunday. He spoke following a meeting with provincial and territorial premiers.

The aid package includes: waiving the one-week waiting period before collecting employment insurance, allowing workers to collect before they have exhausted severance pay and making it easier to access this support.

Ottawa will also temporarily allow companies to defer corporate income tax payments as well as remittances of the goods and services tax and harmonized sales tax, Mr. Carney announced. Steven Chase - Senior parliamentary reporter, The Globe and Mail - Breaking News Newsletter - 25/3/21

[Dilip Panjwani]

'Progressive'

The progression of Government debt:
As of March 22, 2025, Canada's total gross debt (total liabilities at market value) is projected to be around $3.182 trillion, with the federal government's portion at $1.641 trillion and provincial, territorial, and local governments (PTLG) at $1.488 trillion.
The progression of personal debt:
Canadians are facing high levels of personal debt, with the average credit card balance reaching a 17-year high, and the total consumer debt reaching a record $2.5 trillion, driven by younger generations and rising interest rates.

That is, about 150,000 dollars per man, per woman, per child...

[Bob Gillanders]

Now that Trump is threatening Canadian sovereignty, it would be prudent to reconsider our purchase of American F35 fighter jets.
I believe Carney has all but cancelled the F35 purchase in favour of a European fighter jet.
Will we see an announcement soon?

[Dilip Panjwani]

'Progressive'

The progression of Government debt:
As of March 22, 2025, Canada's total gross debt (total liabilities at market value) is projected to be around $3.182 trillion, with the federal government's portion at $1.641 trillion and provincial, territorial, and local governments (PTLG) at $1.488 trillion.
The progression of personal debt:
Canadians are facing high levels of personal debt, with the average credit card balance reaching a 17-year high, and the total consumer debt reaching a record $2.5 trillion, driven by younger generations and rising interest rates.

That is, about 150,000 dollars per man, per woman, per child...

We should realize that each one of us and each one of our family members, is losing about 10,000 dollars per year in interest payments, which we all could have made good use of, if our 'votes oriented progressive' governments had not accumulated all this debt...

[Pargat Perrer]

We should realize that each one of us and each one of our family members, is losing about 10,000 dollars per year in interest payments, which we all could have made good use of, if our 'votes oriented progressive' governments had not accumulated all this debt...

All democratic governments are "votes oriented" including conservative ones.

To attach this characteristic only to progressive governments is evidence of bias, which readers of these non-chess CT threads recognize Dollop Panhandler to have in abundance.

As long as government is doing the needed work that private enterprise won't do but needs to be done (to preserve civilization), and as long as past debts can be paid off using future GDP growth, we are presumably ok.

However the real culprit could be GDP. If climate change for example is destroying homes and businesses, and we rebuild those homes and businesses, GDP grows but actual wealth does not grow. All we did was replace what was already there and mark it down as GDP growth because people worked to rebuild homes and businesses.

So no, the real culprit is not GDP. The real culprit is what has brought down every great civilization and will do so again: expansionism. In previous great civilizations, this lead to things like dilution of power over bigger and bigger land areas, to the point where borders were subject to raids by barbarians, who then crept closer and closer to the seat of power. Even in WWII, we can see this in the German expansionism that led Hitler to overextend and try to take down Russia.

What Trump is now attempting for America is global expansionism. Panama, Greenland, even Canada and possibly Mexico. The consequences will be disastrous for America.

Oh, and the mention of climate change is important because Trump and his cronies don't recognize it. Climate change is a characteristic of logarithmic growth (expansionism) of human population.

[Dilip Panjwani]

PeePee, I have always maintained that all politicians would be willing to do the 'wrong' thing, if it fetches them lots of votes... the sad aspect of giving politicians unnecessary power.

[Tom O'Donnell]

List of countries by past and projected future population - Wikipedia

Note that world population would be roughly stable over the next 75 years if you exclude Africa, where population is expected to almost triple.

[Pargat Perrer]

PeePee, I have always maintained that all politicians would be willing to do the 'wrong' thing, if it fetches them lots of votes... the sad aspect of giving politicians unnecessary power.

Oh really? Even Libertarian politicians are willing to do "the wrong thing"?

[Pargat Perrer]

List of countries by past and projected future population - Wikipedia

Note that world population would be roughly stable over the next 75 years if you exclude Africa, where population is expected to almost triple.

I looked at it and North America is not "roughly stable" in future projections. Between 2030 and 2050 projected 28 million increase. That was the population of Canada just a few decades ago.

As far as Africa is concerned, maybe the shutdown of USAID is aimed at stopping that growth. But then I heard that China is stepping in where the USA is withdrawing, making Africa exploitable by China in a big way.

I wish that article had grouped Europe in one lump some like they did for North America.

I noticed that Georgia (not the U.S. state but the sovereign country bordering Russia) has a dramatic projected population DECLINE. I wonder what's going on there???

[Dilip Panjwani]

Oh really? Even Libertarian politicians are willing to do "the wrong thing"?

Truly Libertarian politicians will not have the power to do significant wrong...

[Tom O'Donnell]

The 2030 projection I assume includes the criminal invaders that the Trump administration is trying mightily to boot out. That should adjust that number down somewhat. Consider that the native population is breeding at significantly less than the 2.1 children per woman needed for replacement. In the US it is roughly 1.7; Canada 1.5. Without legal immigration, the population of most Western nations would be dropping. The propaganda that somehow Western folks are responsible for some sort of population explosion is ridiculous.

Note the countries with fertility rates of 4+ are almost all African nations.

List of countries by total fertility rate - Wikipedia

[Bob Armstrong]

World Population

The peak world population is about to happen (Now a number of articles on this).



Then the world population will start to DECLINE as a whole!

We will have a whole new world paradigm out of which to work!

Bob A

[Bob Armstrong]

Americas - Canada

Federal Election: Monday, April 28, 2025 (Less than 1 month away!)

"The one issue that could flip the advantage back to Poilievre!

The latest polling data suggests that Canadians believe Mark Carney



would do a better job than Pierre Poilievre at going toe-to-toe with Donald Trump.

However, the majority of Canadians still view the cost of living as the federal election’s number one issue, Mark Ramzy reports."

The Toronto Star - First Up Newsletter - By Andrew Joe Potter - 25/3/29

Bob A (Democratic Marxist)

[Pargat Perrer]

The 2030 projection I assume includes the criminal invaders that the Trump administration is trying mightily to boot out. That should adjust that number down somewhat.

"Criminal invaders" .... totally ignoring the "criminal natives" .... and by the way, who were the original "criminal invaders" of North America?

Consider that the native population is breeding at significantly less than the 2.1 children per woman needed for replacement. In the US it is roughly 1.7; Canada 1.5. Without legal immigration, the population of most Western nations would be dropping. The propaganda that somehow Western folks are responsible for some sort of population explosion is ridiculous.

Well, I don't know who is blaming it on "Western folks" ... but it seems you are saying that if only we just had "western folks" in the world, everything would be fine.

I don't think population trends depend on race or nationality, but rather on economics. If "Western folks" are not growing their numbers as much as others, it is because they are much wealthier than others. I believe it is a proven fact that increasing overall wealth leads to decreasing population growth. I am sure I saw stats to prove that, but I can't remember where I saw it.

Note the countries with fertility rates of 4+ are almost all African nations.

List of countries by total fertility rate - Wikipedia

I wonder what were the fertility rates in North America in the 1600s, the 1700s, the 1800s ....among "Western folks" .... again, increasing wealth leads to decreasing population growth. Africa is very poor. They are where North America was in the past centuries aforementioned.

[Tom O'Donnell]

The original inhabitants of North America did not secure their borders. So yes, they let criminal invaders into their lands and had no way to evict them. I thought learning from history was one of the reasons to study it. So that we don't make the mistakes that the people before us made.

Securing borders is one of the primary tasks of national governments. Otherwise, Russia invades Ukraine. Or, as speculated on this site by others, US invades Canada. If borders are unimportant, why care about such things?

Some of the most worrying trends are in non-Western, but still First-World countries, for example South Korea, Singapore, and Japan. These are high-IQ societies and it would be tragic for the planet to have their numbers decreasing.

Agreed about increasing wealth decreasing the fertility rate. I am sure I have read the same. But I suspect culture also plays a factor and so do incentives.