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Interesting fact:
In 2008, Anand was winning against Kramnik after 9 games with 6-3, and 2 wins with Black, and one with White :) Like Carlsen vs Anand :)
Kramnik lasted 2 more games. Can Anand do his best and be better than Kramnik? :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_C...mpionship_2008
After the tenth game, both players spoke to the media separately and were also together for a few minutes.
Q: (FIDE Press Officer) Your general review of the match?
A: (Viswanathan Anand) I was trying to keep playing. At some point started to make mistakes. I simply blundered Qg5. I saw the same tactic for Qc5 but I simply put the queen on g5. And the same e5 happened. I simply don’t know the evaluation after that. This knight ending is very dangerous. As the match in general, it is clear that he dominated. At the start of the match I thought my chances depended on my ability to last long games without making a lot of mistakes. This year I had lot of problems creeping into my play. I kind of try to pay some attention to that. In the end it was in vain. The way I lost the fifth game is the way I thought I could not afford to lose. A fine position in the opening, then a slip. The fifth game was a heavy blow. I really hoped not to be afraid of him in long games but simply match him. This was not to be. After that it became worse and worse. I guess when it rains it pours. It is fair enough to congratulate him. My mistakes did not happen by themselves. Clearly he managed to provoke them. Full credit to him.
Q: (FIDE Press Officer) Carlsen has also joined up. It is an important moment in history. We have a new world champion. After 3-4 questions we can finish the Anand press conference.
Q: When did it go wrong?
A: (Viswanathan Anand) Things look different at hindsight. At that moment I did not attach excessive significance. I was disappointed that I did not call the position right. Even so it was only one moment when I can take on b2. The other moment I don’t think was that serious. It was a little disappointing then. As far as I am concerned, game five was when it all started to go wrong.
Q: (T.N. Ragu, Deccan Chronicle) Would you have chosen a better successor than Magnus?
A: (Viswanathan Anand) I did not chose him!
Q: (Amit Karmarkar, The Times of India) Not being champion. Does it take the pressure off you? The monkey is off your back?
A: (Viswanathan Anand) It takes the pressure off you! At the same time to want it is also excessive.
Q: (Ashok Venugopal, New Indian Express) We expect you to win the candidates and play Carlsen next year?
A: (Viswanathan Anand) I want to first get some rest. Take stock of what has happened. Come to terms with everything here. At the end of the day, my play in the match was a big disappointment. I did not manage to achieve any of the things I aimed for. I assume I will play in the Candidates. You are going too fast. I will take rest and take it from there.
Q: (T.N. Ragu, Deccan Chronicle) What is your message to your fans? The whole country was expecting you to win?
A: (Viswanathan Anand) Obviously I am disappointed with my play. Despite lot of support somehow my play never got going. I am sorry for them that it wasn’t a better match.
Q: (Peter Doggers, Chess Vibes) Is there anything you regret from things off the board, for example in terms of opening choices or otherwise?
A: (Viswanathan Anand) I had a feeling that this match will be about execution. I had any strategy I wanted. Executing it, holding at the board, seeing it through was its all about. I tried to pay lot of attention to that. This year in tournaments, so many things have gone wrong. I felt that would be the crucial area. Game five was the real low point for me. After that at least you can say that I was depressed. I didn’t manage to understand either him or me! I was simply unable to execute my strategy.
Q: (FIDE Press Officer) Before Anand would leave, I would like Carlsen to say something about his opponent?
A: (Magnus Carlsen) Vishy’s been world champion for so long. One of the greatest of all time. I am honoured to have played a match with him. Of course very very happy to get the better of him. I really hope he will be back from the candidates.
(Part II will be given as a separate post when it appears on the Official Site)
++++++++++ Viewers’ Comments
- We have witnessed the history written: the best chess player all-time has just become the world chess champion. 100 years later, people will look at this match and study it as we have done so for Capa-Alekhine, Lasker-Steinitz, or Fischer-Spassky etc...
Congratulations to Magnus not only for the truly deserved crown but also for giving the rest of us the hope that chess is beyond deep opening preparations, short and dry draws as well as huge egos. You go there and you play to the end because there is always something to play for! This should be the lesson Magnus has taught each of us.
- I will not waste a single cent for a book about this awful match. Anand-Gelfand was more interesting, at least there were opening ideas also for amateurs and a convincing victory of the challenger vs. a well playing Anand. This just was bullying a broken guy.
- I can sympathize with you. In pure chess terms this may not make a great tournament/match book. (The back-stories, however, would be most interesting.) Of course one cannot – and, as I read your post, you do not – blame Magnus for this or criticize his play at all. Rather, this match had the makings of a lopsided battle and it turned out to be such. As I have said all along, the rating differential obviously reflects real playing strength. (Matters are equally lopsided if you look at the practical history of Carlsen-Anand encounters going back more than 20 games.) If Anand were to play a match with an opponent who had the same rating deficit that Anand himself faced, he would be playing #65 in the world rankings. Were that to occur, we could expect a similar result.
I look forward to further achievements from Magnus. It is a privilege to follow such a phenomenon who is advancing the game in pure chessic terms as well as in popularity.
- For Vishy, I hope he enjoys a career without the championship. I suspect that he will realize that the crown has at times been burden. And from his present disappointment I hope some relief (and a lot more fun) will grow. Shirov’s path generally seems for him a good one to emulate.
- The match lacked fun chess, but any other result than Carlsen winning to become WC would have been bizarre. Carlsen is WC however and he takes over where Kasparov left off, as the dominant Number One.
- Vishy was an off-the-charts genius with talent galore. Later, he become added being a consumate professional mastering the methods and tools of his era better than anyone else. We are now in a new era, however, characterized by a chamption with even more talent and new and unique methods that will influence and advance the game.
Great victory by Carlsen! He played almost completely without weaknesses, conducted himself in a professional, patient and confident manner, and made the most of his chances. A worthy champion.
Anand was very gracious in the press conference, admitting that Carlsen dominated the match and did a very good job at provoking weak moves and applying pressure. It was also hilarious to see Anand curse.
Carlsen was a gentleman in the press conference. I liked that he acknowledged Anand’s legendary status, and that he hopes to see him in the Candidates.
- Finally, it is interesting how accurate many pro-Carlsen fans were, who predicted he would win just by doing his normal thing. Carlsen admitted he felt nervous and vulnerable in the first few rounds, but once those jitters went away, he treated the match like any other event, only paying attention to what was going on over the board. He claims to have not felt the psychological warfare, and to not have done anything other than his normal preparation. The fact that Anand’s match experience, team of seconds, and opening preparation that were so often cited as elements in his favor were of no use against Carlsen’s normal approach is very interesting. Perhaps matches will be treated and talked about differently from now on?
- Who were Carlsen's seconds?
- He only admitted to GM Hammer. Looks like the rest of his team and they role will remain a mystery, at least for a little while.
Last edited by Wayne Komer; Friday, 22nd November, 2013, 06:13 PM.
Reason: added press conference
As Nigel tweeted yesterday with his impeccable sense of timing (!?) it is the end of an era. We can only hope that the new Champion will carry the crown with the dignity it deserves and has not always received.
Spare a thought for the dethroned King. Anand has been a truly classy champion, bringing nothing but credit to himself and to the game. For nearly seven years, he has held the title and beaten off all comers until this week he came up against an irresistible force. He has inspired chess fans, old and new, around the world and in particular has made chess a televised spectator sport in the world's largest democracy. He has set a high standard for sportsmanlike play---contrast the behaviour of the players in this match with Reykjavik or "toiletgate". Away from the board, he has been a model family man and citizen. And he has given us some truly great chess.
Thank you Vishy Anand for your contribution to the Royal Game. Live long and prosper!
Anand held the title between 2000 -2002 when FIDE was holding the knockout championships. Kramnik was what they called the Classical World Champion. Anand took back the title from Kramnik in 2007.
He knows what he has to do to take the title back. It will be interesting to see how busy he says in the next year or two. I hope he earns another crack at winning the title.
I think Botwinnik was the only 3 time champion. Anand only 2 times.
Bottom line:
Press conference is disaster ( with poor audio and organization, any NBA, NFL, and cricket post match presser is better organized technically) Anastasia ( spelling?) is cute, but amateur and should not be doing this. Her way or controlling the room (or lack there of) is telling. She gets almost angry at journalists who are sometimes asking dumb questions.. but hey.. it's their job. Players should be taking PR training, they are totally inept and don't want to disclose anything.
If they wanted conferences in English, there should have been at least one native English speaker in the team.
All in all:
This was a total amateur hour.
Of course, this is all just my opinion..
Cheers,
Carlsen leaves the board, scoresheet in hand, smiling at last. Perhaps he was remembering his first tournament victory from long ago.
In the press conference that followed the match, Carlsen was a gracious Champion, full of compliments for his Indian hosts, who, in his opinion, exceeded expectations both for himself and for his team.
Originally posted by Magnus Carlsen
"I've been treated very well here in India. I've been made to feel very comfortable. In general, at some point I started to settle in and got the match into my strengths... playing to my strengths towards the end.
I'm so happy with the way I've been treated here. Everything's been top notch. My every wish has been attended to ... and for my team as well. It's been beyond both expectations and anything I've ever experienced in other places. So ... thank you very much ... and I'm sorry the match turned out the way it did.
Spoken like a true Canadian, apologizing for victory. lol.
Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; Friday, 22nd November, 2013, 02:19 PM.
Reason: quote
Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.
Anand held the title between 2000 -2002 when FIDE was holding the knockout championships. Kramnik was what they called the Classical World Champion. Anand took back the title from Kramnik in 2007.
He knows what he has to do to take the title back. It will be interesting to see how busy he says in the next year or two. I hope he earns another crack at winning the title.
I think Botwinnik was the only 3 time champion. Anand only 2 times.
We can agree to disagree over whether that funky FIDE title deserves to be counted. I was, of course, referring to the real or classical title.
Botvinnik, of course, reigned in an era when the dice were loaded in favour of the champion, with a tie going to the titleholder and an automatic right of rematch.
Anand still knows how to lose a championship, even if everyone considered it to be "funky" and prepare himself to win the title in the future.
Korchnoi must have been around 50 when he qualified for his second title match with Karpov. He didn't win but didn't look particularly out of place either.
I don't gamble on Chess games. Mostly I don't even care who wins and only the games interest me. Too many years being an arbiter, I guess. I only cheer for Canadian players.
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