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  • #16
    Re: World Chess Championship 2013

    Originally posted by Brad Thomson View Post
    With respect to a possible tie-break, it seems to me that the challenger should have to beat the champion and that a tied match should go to Anand. This puts the onus on the challenger to play for the win. But, if a series of faster and faster tie-break games is to be used, then I think it may have been Jean Hebert who stated that they should play the tie-break before the regular games, and not after. I agree with this completely, because it would force someone to play to win the match.
    I think for this one we should look at tennis for a new idea:

    -If the match is tied after 12 games, play a series of games at rapid time control (with reasonable increment) until one of the players emerges victorious (i.e. winning 1.5-0.5 or 2-0 over two games). There's no limitation on the number of games it can take to have a winner.

    It's very similar to the tie-breaks in tennis. And at least, it will look like chess. And you could easily play 8 or 10 rapid games a day, so the odds of this dragging on are extremely small.

    I hate these armaggedon games because you're basically changing the rules -i.e. a draw becomes a win, players don't have the same time. And, more important, a guy can win a match by drawing all his games and then drawing the aramaggedon.

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    • #17
      Re: World Chess Championship 2013

      A writer in Slate advocates taking chess along the same road that tennis has blazed:

      Tennis doesn’t have a world champion, and rightly so. That sport measures greatness by elevating four tournaments (the grand slams) above all others and assessing a player’s results there. Peaks and valleys are measured by a ratings algorithm that’s updated from week to week.
      Chess has the ratings algorithm, and it has the big tournaments. Now it just needs to kill the world championships. And to do that, it needs someone with the standing to do the job. Enter Magnus Carlsen.

      Here’s what Carlsen should do: Beat Anand for the title, and then work with FIDE to institutionalize four big tournaments as chess’s Grand Slams, simultaneously eliminating the title of world champion. Corporate funding for even major chess tournaments can come and go with frustrating regularity, meaning FIDE itself has to get involved. Perhaps the grand slam tournaments could be located in three cities permanently—Moscow, Amsterdam, and a Spanish locale such as Linares would be natural picks—with a fourth that would rotate from year to year. This would give chess the same clear and predictable yardstick for greatness that golf and tennis have instead of the extremely crude world champion benchmark.


      http://www.slate.com/articles/sports...to.single.html

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      • #18
        Re: World Chess Championship 2013

        Anno Domini

        Nigel Short wrote a column for The Indian Express on the prospects of the players in the coming contest.

        http://www.indianexpress.com/news/end-game-/1190458/0

        Here is partly what he had to say of Anand:

        Anand's last title defence was at the Tretyakov Gallery in Moscow last year when he narrowly beat off a challenge from Boris Gelfand. While the vastly experienced, highly competent and famously hard-working Israeli is justly esteemed by his peers, in truth he was about as soft an opponent as Anand could possibly hope for in a World Championship Final. Brutally put, he probably lacked the extra spark that is necessary to scale the ultimate summit.

        Furthermore, at 43 years of age, he was even older than the champion. Despite such a favourable pairing, Anand barely stumbled over the line, winning just one of the 12 classical chess games before prevailing in the rapid chess. With such unconvincing form, he would probably have lost to Aronian, Kramnik or even Grischuk — never mind Carlsen.

        So what has gone wrong? Firstly, the most obvious point is that, at nearly 44, Anand is no longer a spring chicken. In chess terms, he could be considered a veritable dinosaur (incidentally, your 48 year-old writer is the oldest player in the top 100). Concentration wavers in middle-age in a manner it does not when you are in your physical prime. One lapse and you are on your way back to the pavilion. Secondly, motivation sags over time. When you have already achieved everything you could wish for professionally and you have as much money as you need for a good life, other things become more important — particularly when you have a young child. Success in all sport requires sacrifice and pain: most people tire of it eventually.
        ++++++++

        One really feels one’s age after reading an article like this.

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        • #19
          Re: EST Start Time: World Chess Championship 2013

          Originally posted by Adam Cormier View Post
          Am I the only one who is going to change his sleep schedule to watch a live stream of the match?

          And on that point does anyone know a good place to watch the game live?
          Try TSN, they will live stream it.

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          • #20
            Re: World Chess Championship 2013

            He deserves a Knighthood for that article.
            Gary Ruben
            CC - IA and SIM

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            • #21
              Re: World Chess Championship 2013

              I have sort of mixed feelings about this. I certainly don't think the world championship should be decided by a series of RR tournaments featuring only say the top 10-14 players. Even if you are the 30th ranked golfer or tennis player in the world you are going to get into majors and at least theoretically have a shot of becoming world number one. Also "minor" tournaments on the pro tours in tennis and golf give you some points, not only the big four tournaments.

              Maybe the majors should be massive Swisses with only players say 2600+ eligible to compete, or players who have accumulated enough points from "minor" tournaments. Sort of how the Grand Slam events in say tennis consist of 128(?) players in each.

              The best thing about the way chess chooses its champions now is that there is a very clean line from Steinitz onward. Chess has more interest in its history, I think, than tennis or golf has in theirs.


              Originally posted by Wayne Komer View Post
              A writer in Slate advocates taking chess along the same road that tennis has blazed:

              Tennis doesn’t have a world champion, and rightly so. That sport measures greatness by elevating four tournaments (the grand slams) above all others and assessing a player’s results there. Peaks and valleys are measured by a ratings algorithm that’s updated from week to week.
              Chess has the ratings algorithm, and it has the big tournaments. Now it just needs to kill the world championships. And to do that, it needs someone with the standing to do the job. Enter Magnus Carlsen.

              Here’s what Carlsen should do: Beat Anand for the title, and then work with FIDE to institutionalize four big tournaments as chess’s Grand Slams, simultaneously eliminating the title of world champion. Corporate funding for even major chess tournaments can come and go with frustrating regularity, meaning FIDE itself has to get involved. Perhaps the grand slam tournaments could be located in three cities permanently—Moscow, Amsterdam, and a Spanish locale such as Linares would be natural picks—with a fourth that would rotate from year to year. This would give chess the same clear and predictable yardstick for greatness that golf and tennis have instead of the extremely crude world champion benchmark.


              http://www.slate.com/articles/sports...to.single.html
              "Tom is a well known racist, and like most of them he won't admit it, possibly even to himself." - Ed Seedhouse, October 4, 2020.

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              • #22
                Re: World Chess Championship 2013

                Originally posted by Gary Ruben View Post
                He deserves a Knighthood for that article.
                Not really. You're kidding, right?

                Short showed an appalling lack of respect, mean-spirited remarks, created a negative atmosphere, ridiculed a player by drawing attention to drinking and overweight issues, etc., etc., in his coverage at the World Cup of Chess this year. It was UGGG-LEEEE.

                I'm just glad that Susan Polgar and Lawrence Trent have been chosen to cover the match by the official organizers. Susan was particularly creative (in the World Cup) and did the chess coverage in a new way that I had never seen before; she clearly made a conscious effort to address different demographics (much less skilled players, for example) in her commentary, while showing her ability to go through variations extemporaneously (without a chess engine helping her!) as well.

                Short and his colleague, OTOH, were like Don Cherry and Ron MacLean. ugh.
                Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; Wednesday, 6th November, 2013, 02:28 PM.
                Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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                • #23
                  Re: World Chess Championship 2013

                  Originally posted by Nigel Hanrahan View Post
                  Short and his colleague, OTOH, were like Don Cherry and Ron MacLean. ugh.
                  I doubt Short was as good as Grapes and Ron. There is a reason Grapes and MacLean are back year after year even though Grapes is WELL past retirement age!! And, N.B., they work on a far left TV Station!

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                  • #24
                    Re: World Chess Championship 2013

                    Supplemental:

                    Here is a link to an interview that Susan Polgar conducted with her co-host, Lawrence Trent, at the World Cup.

                    Interview with IM Lawrence Trent by Susan Polgar

                    At the end of the interview, Trent makes some remarks about why he loves chess that sounds very much like the famous remarks that Lasker made in one of his "Manuals of Chess" . The interview gives you some idea of what to expect from Susan Polgar and Lawrence Trent in the upcoming WC Match.
                    Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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                    • #25
                      Re: World Chess Championship 2013

                      Originally posted by J. Ken MacDonald View Post
                      I doubt Short was as good as Grapes and Ron. There is a reason Grapes and MacLean are back year after year even though Grapes is WELL past retirement age!! And, N.B., they work on a far left TV Station!
                      My comparison to Don Cherry was not meant as a compliment. Both Short and Cherry have managed to demean and/or offend all sorts of people with their public remarks ... though I must admit that Cherry is more practiced at it and has undoubtedly become richer by playing at his Canadian version of Archie Bunker.
                      Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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                      • #26
                        Don Cherry, Canadian ICON!

                        Originally posted by Nigel Hanrahan View Post
                        My comparison to Don Cherry was not meant as a compliment. Both Short and Cherry have managed to demean and/or offend all sorts of people with their public remarks ... though I must admit that Cherry is more practiced at it and has undoubtedly become richer by playing at his Canadian version of Archie Bunker.

                        I am well aware that it was not a compliment.

                        Note that mine was.

                        Many people dislike Cherry because he speaks his mind and the truth. No BS from Cherry!

                        He also knows his hockey very well.

                        He is a pleasure to watch every Saturday evening. I will watch him even when I don't want to watch the hockey game.

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                        • #27
                          Re: Don Cherry, Canadian Buffoon

                          Originally posted by J. Ken MacDonald View Post
                          I will watch him even when I don't want to watch the hockey game.
                          That's amusing. I find the mute button very handy at times. Too bad I don't understand Punjabi.
                          Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.

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                          • #28
                            Re: World Chess Championship 2013

                            Originally posted by Tom O'Donnell View Post
                            I have sort of mixed feelings about this. I certainly don't think the world championship should be decided by a series of RR tournaments featuring only say the top 10-14 players. Even if you are the 30th ranked golfer or tennis player in the world you are going to get into majors and at least theoretically have a shot of becoming world number one. Also "minor" tournaments on the pro tours in tennis and golf give you some points, not only the big four tournaments.

                            Maybe the majors should be massive Swisses with only players say 2600+ eligible to compete, or players who have accumulated enough points from "minor" tournaments. Sort of how the Grand Slam events in say tennis consist of 128(?) players in each.

                            The best thing about the way chess chooses its champions now is that there is a very clean line from Steinitz onward. Chess has more interest in its history, I think, than tennis or golf has in theirs.
                            Tennis and golf are also played on different surfaces / courses - each favouring a different set of players.

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                            • #29
                              Re: World Chess Championship 2013

                              Nigel Short knows first hand what it means to "lack the extra spark to scale the ultimate summit". I could say Kasparov "got as soft an opponent as could possible hoped for" when he faced Nigel in a title defence that was probably the most one-sided match since...Merano?
                              What Short fails to tell (I doubt that he would not understand it) is that a match is prepared based on the opponent the Champion faces. Anand would have simply played differently against Aronian for example. Gelfand was extremely difficult to play against in a match because his overall play level (just how easy he beat Aronian and Radjabov in London this year!) and because he benefited from a very strong support team. There was simply no room for mistakes.

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                              • #30
                                Re: World Chess Championship 2013

                                Originally posted by Nigel Hanrahan View Post
                                Not really. You're kidding, right?
                                Right! I thought he did a hatchet job on a player who has an excellent chance of defending his title.
                                Gary Ruben
                                CC - IA and SIM

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