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Read my original post pertaining to this above and i am sure that you can figure it out. It is self explanatory.
Your post discusses how Kirsan's maneuvers resulted in the russian women's team playing:
"Ilyumzhinov exploited the other excluded federations...as an excuse to pressure the Olympiad’s organizers in Norway into allowing the Russian women’s team to play"
Russia is suing (AFAIK) over being excluded. I don't see how him finding a way to pressure the OC to allow Russia in created this lawsuit.
I am no Ilyumzhinov apologist by any stretch, but I just don't see your point of view on this one.
Russia is suing (AFAIK) over being excluded. I don't see how him finding a way to pressure the OC to allow Russia in created this lawsuit.
There's a great deal that makes no sense at all from the Kasparov camp, unless you look at the bigger picture. In that picture, everything bad flows from Russia (and Putin in particular), and the facts are irrelevant inconveniences. The flip side of the idea that the (US) Empire can do no wrong is that (fill in the blank) can do nothing right. The blank has been: Iraq, Libya, Syria, Iran, etc. Today it is Russia.
So Kirsan is connected, by guilt by association, with Putin's Russia, which is evil. No proof is necessary, and any fabrication will do. e.g., - the Ukrainian military can shoot down a passenger airliner, but the Russians are to blame. The Kiev regime can carry out ethnic cleansing in east Ukraine but the Russians are "planning" to invade that country. A government can be formed with neo-Nazis but the Russians are to blame. See how easy it is? Putin has been made into a convenient scapegoat for all that's wrong in the world, just as Saddam Hussein was, as Muammar Gaddafi was, as Bashar Al-Assad was. Since Kirsan, in this boilerplate argument, is associated with Putin's Russia, all you have to do is say "Russia" and the rest falls into place. Repeat as necessary.
And now, what seems wrong-headed makes perfect sense.
The last straw: the US threatened Moscow with grave consequences if Russia unilaterally intervenes in Ukraine with the goal to provide humanitarian aid. Even when Russia wants to help refugees this is interpreted as an aggressive action. Up is down. Black is white.
Your post discusses how Kirsan's maneuvers resulted in the russian women's team playing:
"Ilyumzhinov exploited the other excluded federations...as an excuse to pressure the Olympiad’s organizers in Norway into allowing the Russian women’s team to play"
Russia is suing (AFAIK) over being excluded. I don't see how him finding a way to pressure the OC to allow Russia in created this lawsuit.
I am no Ilyumzhinov apologist by any stretch, but I just don't see your point of view on this one.
THe RCF consists of Kirsan's and Putin's cronies.
"The Russian Chess Federation—which nominated Ilyumzhinov for reelection—recently appointed a new board of trustees that is chaired by Putin’s press secretary, Dmitri Peskov, and that includes such famous chess luminaries as Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich, Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin, and Kremlin-connected businessman Gennady Timchenko, who has been sanctioned by the US government over Putin’s aggression in Ukraine".
The RCF and FIDE/Kirsan (basically they are not independent organizations but instead corrupted and intertwined entities) have broken many rules as outlined above and the only reason the OC relented was under threat of the entire Olympiad being cancelled aand being embroiled in litigation. FIDES rule 6.1 basically allows any contract FIDE signs with a sponsor to be rendered null and void thus any sponsor in future would be crazy to deal with FIDE. If Kirsan wins the election Norway will probably be the last legitimate western sponsor of an Olympiad ever.
The last time the RCF had legitimate chess players running it was before the 2010 FIDE election when the RCF supported Karpov instead of Kirsan and their office were raided, the legitimate federation officials were kicked out and charged with trumped up charges and replaced by Russian govt thugs and friends of Kirsan that then supported him instead.
Your post discusses how Kirsan's maneuvers resulted in the russian women's team playing:
"Ilyumzhinov exploited the other excluded federations...as an excuse to pressure the Olympiad’s organizers in Norway into allowing the Russian women’s team to play"
Russia is suing (AFAIK) over being excluded. I don't see how him finding a way to pressure the OC to allow Russia in created this lawsuit.
I am no Ilyumzhinov apologist by any stretch, but I just don't see your point of view on this one.
THe RCF consists of Kirsan's and Putin's cronies.
"The Russian Chess Federation—which nominated Ilyumzhinov for reelection—recently appointed a new board of trustees that is chaired by Putin’s press secretary, Dmitri Peskov, and that includes such famous chess luminaries as Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu, Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich, Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin, and Kremlin-connected businessman Gennady Timchenko, who has been sanctioned by the US government over Putin’s aggression in Ukraine".
The RCF and FIDE/Kirsan (basically they are not independent organizations but instead corrupted and intertwined entities) have broken many rules as outlined above and the only reason the OC relented was under threat of the entire Olympiad being cancelled aand being embroiled in litigation. FIDES rule 6.1 basically allows any contract FIDE signs with a sponsor to be rendered null and void thus any sponsor in future would be crazy to deal with FIDE. If Kirsan wins the election Norway will probably be the last legitimate western sponsor of an Olympiad ever.
The last time the RCF had legitimate chess players running it was before the 2010 FIDE election when the RCF supported Karpov instead of Kirsan and their office were raided, the legitimate federation officials were kicked out and charged with trumped up charges and replaced by Russian govt thugs and friends of Kirsan that then supported him instead.
Let's please not have politics pollute every topic on this forum. This one should only be to discuss chess in the olympiad
Hear hear. It's not a bad thing to care about politics, but seizing the opportunity to publicly vent and rage about their pet causes every single day puts those who do so in the same league as e-mail spammers — disrespectful of others' time. There's a tournament going on, folks, and this is the thread for it.
the Ukrainian military can shoot down a passenger airliner...
The Kiev regime can carry out ethnic cleansing in east Ukraine...
A (Ukrainian - P.M.) government can be formed with neo-Nazis...
Nigel, are these things you believe to be facts? i.e. do you believe that the Ukrainians were attempting ethnic cleansing in eastern Ukraine?
"We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office." - Aesop
"Only the dead have seen the end of war." - Plato
"If once a man indulges himself in murder, very soon he comes to think little of robbing; and from robbing he comes next to drinking and Sabbath-breaking, and from that to incivility and procrastination." - Thomas De Quincey
Nigel, are these things you believe to be facts? i.e. do you believe that the Ukrainians were attempting ethnic cleansing in eastern Ukraine?
We've got lots of complaining that there's too much politics in this thread already. Let me just simply provide you with a link in which a public figure in Ukraine openly calls for the extermination of 1.5 million people in the Donbass (eastern Ukraine) on national Ukrainian TV* and it is treated as nothing special.
The UNHCR has agreed with the Russian claim of 730,000 refugees from Ukraine into Russia. And the weapons used have gone from Molotov cocktails in the Maidan to N-17 phosphorus incendiaries in densely-populated urban areas, ballistic missiles in residential blocks, and so on. The Russian UN Ambassador Vitali Churkin, exasperated, has said "that UN philanthropists (seem to) believe that children rather thrive under (gun) fire" ... given the methodical shelling of residential neighborhoods and the blithe indifference of certain UN officials. So, yeah, if the shoe fits. Interestingly, our own media won't even interview the Ukrainian troops that have fled, underpaid and unhappy to be killing their countrymen/women, to the Russian side. Why not?
* Correction. Ukrainian TV Station hromadske TV is financed by the Dutch and US Embassies in Kiev.
Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; Saturday, 9th August, 2014, 09:52 PM.
Reason: correction
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