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What do you think the math says? Which candidate received more votes out of the two?
24 governors voted
Endorse Garry 7 votes
Vote for but do not endorse Garry 1 vote
Abstain 4 votes
Vote for but do not endorse Kirsan 4 votes
Endorse Kirsan 8 votes
One member of the executive who voted to endorse Kirsan was not able to vote in the governors poll but did vote in the executive poll. The straw poll of the governors was not binding on the executive.
Actually, there was also a vote for Al Gore, but that was later discovered to have a 'hanging chad'.
But seriously, what would have been the procedure if the one governor who voted to vote for but not endorse Gary had instead voted to endorse Gary? That would have created an 8 - 8 tie between endorsing Gary or endorsing Kirsan (quite a polarization).
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
What do you think the math says? Which candidate received more votes out of the two?
24 governors voted
Endorse Garry 7 votes
Vote for but do not endorse Garry 1 vote
Abstain 4 votes
Vote for but do not endorse Kirsan 4 votes
Endorse Kirsan 8 votes
One member of the executive who voted to endorse Kirsan was not able to vote in the governors poll but did vote in the executive poll. The straw poll of the governors was not binding on the executive.
Need written records of the vote with the proper notification of the time and place it was held.
Need written records of the vote with the proper notification of the time and place it was held.
I've heard that there was a straw vote, a discussion, etc... To avoid further embarrassment please confirm publicly that this so-called endorsement is null and void.
Need written records of the vote with the proper notification of the time and place it was held.
If you are referring to the governors vote, it was a non-binding on the executive straw poll. You will be able to see it and the debate yourself once you are confirmed as a governor at the time of the AGM. With regard to the deliberations of the board they were in a series of emails, telephone and skype conversations and in some cases face to face communications between members of the board.
I've heard that there was a straw vote, a discussion, etc... To avoid further embarrassment please confirm publicly that this so-called endorsement is null and void.
I can confirm publicly as president of the Chess Federation of Canada that the endorsement of Kirsan by the directors of the CFC is quite valid. Any further embarrassment will be your own. I will engage with anyone who wishes to discuss it sensibly but I will not be going around the hamster wheel with you unless you start making some sense. I have a new policy of getting to bed at a sensible hour. At the moment I have a more important decision as to whether I will be taking a plane, train or automobile to CYCC and the Canadian Open. The plane option disappears in a little over two hours.
If you are referring to the governors vote, it was a non-binding on the executive straw poll. You will be able to see it and the debate yourself once you are confirmed as a governor at the time of the AGM. With regard to the deliberations of the board they were in a series of emails, telephone and skype conversations and in some cases face to face communications between members of the board.
Your so called endorsement must be retracted. There an AGM and the INCOMING Voting Members, Executive Board and President will determine whom Canada will vote for.
I can confirm publicly as president of the Chess Federation of Canada that the endorsement of Kirsan by the directors of the CFC is quite valid. Any further embarrassment will be your own. I will engage with anyone who wishes to discuss it sensibly but I will not be going around the hamster wheel with you unless you start making some sense. I have a new policy of getting to bed at a sensible hour. At the moment I have a more important decision as to whether I will be taking a plane, train or automobile to CYCC and the Canadian Open. The plane option disappears in a little over two hours.
This vote is not valid. Please stop embarrassing Canada in the eyes of the civilized World.
Your so called endorsement must be retracted. There an AGM and the INCOMING Voting Members, Executive Board and President will determine whom Canada will vote for.
Are you asking me to delay the incoming AGM meeting so that you can make a member proposal?
Generally, the directors are responsible for setting the agenda of members meetings. However, members have a right to add items to the agenda by submitting a notice – known as a “proposal” – to the corporation 90 to 150 days before the anniversary of the previous annual meeting of members.
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It should be noted that directors are not obliged to include the proposal if:
the submission of the proposal does not meet the requirements above; or
the proposal is improper, in that:
it is intended to enforce a personal claim or redress a personal grievance against the corporation, or its directors, officers, members or debt obligation holders;
it does not relate in a significant way to the activities or affairs of the corporation;
not more than 2 years before the receipt of the proposal, the member failed to raise the matter covered by the proposal at a meeting of members; it is substantially the same as a proposal previously submitted to members less than 5 years ago and it did not receive the minimum required support at that meeting Footnote 6; or
the rights to submit proposals are being abused to secure publicity.
Last edited by Vlad Drkulec; Monday, 16th June, 2014, 10:53 PM.
Generally, the directors are responsible for setting the agenda of members meetings. However, members have a right to add items to the agenda by submitting a notice – known as a “proposal” – to the corporation 90 to 150 days before the anniversary of the previous annual meeting of members.
...
It should be noted that directors are not obliged to include the proposal if:
the submission of the proposal does not meet the requirements above; or
the proposal is improper, in that:
it is intended to enforce a personal claim or redress a personal grievance against the corporation, or its directors, officers, members or debt obligation holders;
it does not relate in a significant way to the activities or affairs of the corporation;
not more than 2 years before the receipt of the proposal, the member failed to raise the matter covered by the proposal at a meeting of members; it is substantially the same as a proposal previously submitted to members less than 5 years ago and it did not receive the minimum required support at that meeting Footnote 6; or
the rights to submit proposals are being abused to secure publicity.
No, I did not ask you to delay the AGM, nor I'm making a member proposal.
Chesstalk is equivalent to a gossip column in the tabloids, it holds no power in any serious discussion.
I'm not sure about that. The internet has a phenomena of what are called "lurkers". These are people who may never, or hardly ever, comment, but who follow those discussion boards that they care about quite carefully. A fascinating thing then takes place ... no one can say anything stupid or way out of line ...they just get smacked down mercilessly, and quickly, and the level of discussion gets raised, and genuine debate takes place.
Despite the vigorous denunciation of my moderating style by a number of contributors, I like to think that Chesstalk is a bit like that. Larry Bevand's decision to make people identity themselves (mostly) with their own name on this discussion board had been the biggest improvement here. (Some of the anti-Semitism in the past was just despicable. And that wasn't all of it.) The bigotry is mostly gone, and I make a strong effort to smack down anything in that direction. I must confess that I don't follow the CFC Discussion Board as closely as I should, but I think that ChessTalk is where Canadians go to discuss chess. And I'm proud of that.
I've been involved with some impressive discussion boards and our little one here ain't so bad. Good debate has the power to change our views, and make us think twice, and that's all that can be asked.
Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; Tuesday, 17th June, 2014, 01:10 AM.
Reason: example given
Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.
Let me publicly state that I do not support the executive's endorsement. I find it an embarassment for the Federation.
I must do the same. I am disappointed by the decision. That said, in response to Sasha's posts, I have nothing to say against how things were done. The executive did poll the governors and sent emails to all of them. A logical choice might have been to not support anyone, seeing how governors were polarized on this issue, but the executive made its decision. The best thing to do now is probably to move on.
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