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The EU nations better hope he doesn't ban the export of natural gas when the weather gets cold. Sanctions only work when they're a one way street.
Yes I am sure Russia will cut itself off from one of there few remaining sources of cash. (It takes 4 years to set up the infrastructure to send the gas to China.) The EU are already prepared for a worst case scenario that involve more expensive alternatives. No one will get cold....just somewhat poorer :-).
Last edited by Sid Belzberg; Wednesday, 13th August, 2014, 06:49 PM.
Yes I am sure Russia will cut itself off from one of there few remaining sources of cash. (I takes 4 years to set up the infrastructure to send the gas to China.) The EU are already prepared for a worst case scenario that involve more expensive alternatives. No one will get cold....just somewhat poorer :-).
More expensive alternatives generally means someone will be squeezing them like an orange on price.
I also realize no one is likely to get cold. In the case of shortages industry is told to cut back or go offline. The line can't be allowed to go "flat". Without supply they have what they can buy elsewhere and produce themselves plus what they have in storage. Losing industrial production is more likely than anyone getting cold.
Last I heard Germany doesn't have terminals to receive LNG shipments.
Will Russia keep sending the USA fuel for their nuclear reactors if this keeps up?
I'm hoping this deescalates fast because I recall the Cuban nuclear crisis.
Sanctions only work in one direction. When they go in both directions, then the net results is to do harm to both sides. The height of foolishness, e.g., is for the regime in Kiev to threaten to cut off the supply of natural gas ... to the EU! That will make them plenty of friends in Europe, especially when winter begins to bite. NOT.
The EU for its part has been trying to talk out of both sides of its mouth at the same time, by applying sanctions and then trying to persuade Latin American countries NOT to trade with Russia, and THEN claiming that they're NOT doing what it is obvious they're doing. Brazil, Argentina, Venezuela, Uruguay, Ecuador, etc., don't need encouragement to be independent; some of them are already part of BRICS and others, like Ecuador, are happy to thumb their noses at the Empire anyway.
Meanwhile, Putin's popularity in Russia is so sky-high (i've read numbers like 85%) that some of his Russian critics are claiming that the countries sanctioning Russia are really working FOR Russia and the FSB! Can't say as I blame them.
Not just fuel for nuclear reactors, but passenger flyovers AROUND Russia would cost the airlines billions. And then there is all that equipment and manpower to Afghanistan as well. And the space station. And. And. And.
The fact is, we live in an inter-connected, globalized world in which all countries are interdependent. It may work for the US and its client states to bully countries like Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc., but regional players like Russia (or China) can't be treated as vassals who are expected to obey the orders of the Empire. This is a turning point for Pax Americana.
Gens una sumus doesn't just apply to chess, even if some are having a great deal of difficulty abandoning 20th century prejudices and Cold War stereotypes for 21st century realities.
Last edited by Nigel Hanrahan; Wednesday, 13th August, 2014, 07:10 PM.
Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.
Don't think I'm cheering for Russia. I'm not. The only nation in this I care about is Canada.
Still, reality has to be considered.
Canada and Russia have a lot in common as vast, northern petro-states. The Arctic Ocean could become an enormous trading zone, given proper environmental protection, instead of a practice battlefield for nuclear submarine tag. What country is smack-dab right in the middle of Russia and the USA? Canada, that's who. What would happen if all those nuclear missiles in North Dakota were to start flying? They'd get shot down, mostly, over Manitoba, that's what.
Dogs will bark, but the caravan of chess moves on.
Canada and Russia have a lot in common as vast, northern petro-states. The Arctic Ocean could become an enormous trading zone, given proper environmental protection, instead of a practice battlefield for nuclear submarine tag. What country is smack-dab right in the middle of Russia and the USA? Canada, that's who. What would happen if all those nuclear missiles in North Dakota were to start flying? They'd get shot down, mostly, over Manitoba, that's what.
I'm pretty sure that the ones launched from North Dakota would be shot down (if at all) on the other side of the pole. Any ICBM's landing in Manitoba would be Russian (shot down or otherwise).
Regarding the tit-for-tat million dollar promises, etc., made in the heat of the meeting ...
Originally posted by Georgios Makropoulos
Garry started saying 10 millions and this and this tomorrow, so what Kirsan meant was basically: "Garry if you want to bullsh*t, I can bullsh*t better."
Nope, only Kirsan was full of shit on this one, if Sinquefeld says he will deliver $10,000,000 he does. Sinquefeld is the billionaire that obligated himself to Garry to deliver on the promise of the money. What do you think the chess centre in St Louis costs and its world class tournaments?
Garry's rep Mig generously made an offer to help chess in Canada despite the CFC's support of Kirsan right here on chess talk and the CFC president and many of the chesstalk members here continue to ridicule Garry. As Mig said the kids deserve better!
Last edited by Brian Profit; Friday, 15th August, 2014, 09:55 AM.
Garry's rep Mig generously made an offer to help chess in Canada despite the CFC's support of Kirsan right here on chess talk and the CFC president and many of the chesstalk members here continue to ridicule Garry. As Mig said the kids deserve better!
At the moment you seem to be very bitter. You and the senior members of the Kasparov campaign assured us that Garry was going to win. It didn't happen and the election played out much as everyone who was less emotionally invested in the outcome expected it to. In general it is better to deal with reality in an objective manner instead of expecting it to conform to what we want it to be.
Everyone is well aware of the great things that are happening in St. Louis because of Rex Sinquefield. Most likely they will keep happening.
What federations like the USCF and the English chess federation need now is to find a way to reach an accommodation with FIDE without resorting to the lawsuits that simply drain everyone's pockets. If we took the money that has been invested in lawsuits and spent it on chess we would all be further ahead.
Last edited by Brian Profit; Friday, 15th August, 2014, 09:55 AM.
At the moment you seem to be very bitter. You and the senior members of the Kasparov campaign assured us that Garry was going to win. It didn't happen and the election played out much as everyone who was less emotionally invested in the outcome expected it to. In general it is better to deal with reality in an objective manner instead of expecting it to conform to what we want it to be.
Everyone is well aware of the great things that are happening in St. Louis because of Rex Sinquefield. Most likely they will keep happening
Garry too seems to be bitter; see his summation statement here:
I am sure that it has been an emotionally draining experience for him. He is right that people who feel as he does need to get involved in chess administration in more than a drive by fashion as many of the Kasparov supporters seem to have done. I am reminded of a line from a Leonard Cohen song: "You know the way to stop me but you don't have the discipline."
Its easy enough to overthrow chess federations but the hard part is doing the work required to run federations.
There is nothing more difficult to take in hand, more perilous to conduct, or more uncertain in its success, than to take the lead in the introduction of a new order of things. For the reformer has enemies in all those who profit by the old order, and only lukewarm defenders in all those who would profit by the new order, this lukewarmness arising partly from fear of their adversaries … and partly from the incredulity of mankind, who do not truly believe in anything new until they have had actual experience of it.
– Niccolo Machiavelli
Last edited by Brian Profit; Friday, 15th August, 2014, 09:57 AM.
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