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Funding for IM/GM norm tournaments.Organizers take note
The very first post in this thread said that's not allowed.
Steve
The only possible way this could even be considered would be if it was a completely different format than what we have now, with realistic norm chances, even then it's not clear it would be "legal" as per the agreement.
The only possible way this could even be considered would be if it was a completely different format than what we have now, with realistic norm chances, even then it's not clear it would be "legal" as per the agreement.
I don't think it is possible and I don't see why anyone would suggest something which would clearly be outside of the agreed upon framework. This is a four year agreement and we have to hold up our end.
Hi Vlad, I am interested in being involved. If I may suggest, we should consider, rather than multiple individual bids, that a core team coordinate a deliberate cross-national series of events. This will be exciting for Canadian chess! :)
That is possible. Send us an email with details of what you have in mind.
Do we have the cash yet? If not, how are we assured to receive it?
We have been told what to do to get it by individuals who are as high up in the FIDE hierarchy as it is possible to be. I don't anticipate any problems. I would say even more if it weren't for the habit of certain individuals to go ballistic every time certain names are mentioned.
We have been told what to do to get it by individuals who are as high up in the FIDE hierarchy as it is possible to be. I don't anticipate any problems. I would say even more if it weren't for the habit of certain individuals to go ballistic every time certain names are mentioned.
Thanks Vlad for making a good choice for FIDE president. Seems like you made the best choice voting for Kirsan.
Thanks Vlad for making a good choice for FIDE president. Seems like you made the best choice voting for Kirsan.
That is some serious trolling Mr. Shaw. I presume Sid is above all that - I guess we will see if he can bite his fingers before posting (I know mine are sore
and apparently I don't have as much will power as I hope Sid does. Now that FIDE has moved on we can only live in that eco-system as pathetic it is that
IllusionOf is still running his private chess club (albeit world-wide).
I guess if we can score some rubles from FIDE for the betterment of chess here then we
may as well do so. I still wish that the CFC had officially abstained (at the very least) and it would have been nicer if they had denounced IllusionOf as the
megalomaniac we know he is. In any case, it seems clear that likely would not have convinced any other federations to change their allegiance, but it would
have sent a nice clear message.
Maybe now G.K. will finally be able to create an alternate federation and garner enough interest among top players to seriously challenge FIDE's bread and
butter and caviar... that would be nice but I am not holding my breath for that to come to pass.
Re: Funding for IM/GM norm tournaments.Organizers take note
I am not trolling at all. Vlad made the best choice for chess in Canada. Receiving a chess stipend to organize IM/GM norm tournaments is a nice FIDE compromise.
I am not trolling at all. Vlad made the best choice for chess in Canada. Receiving a chess stipend to organize IM/GM norm tournaments is a nice FIDE compromise.
Of course the "other side" will argue that Kasparov would have fed far more into junior chess. It raises the interesting question as who the CFC should be supporting, the elites, the juniors, or the patzers? Or, perish the thought, all of the above! In my opinion, no-one came out of the recent shambles on here looking good at all....grown men acting like kids. A quiet abstention was clearly the correct decision.
It raises the question in my mind as to whether the CFC has the resources or ability to usefully use any funds coming their way from FIDE.....sort of like throwing some loose change at a street guy, knowing it will probably end up buying a mickey! Sorry if the analogy offends, it seemed apt.....but you don't start great things by accepting cash and then try to decide what to do with it. It looks like the CFC is trying to force-feed the few organizers that are left in Canada....I hope it works, but.....?
Oh and for "Andy Shaw". If you're not trolling, I think most on here would agree that your posts have the stamp of a ten-year old kid who has just discovered the internet.....bad boy!
That is some serious trolling Mr. Shaw. I presume Sid is above all that - I guess we will see if he can bite his fingers before posting (I know mine are sore and apparently I don't have as much will power as I hope Sid does. Now that FIDE has moved on we can only live in that eco-system as pathetic it is that IllusionOf is still running his private chess club (albeit world-wide).
One well known Canadian chess personality suggested that we vote for G.K. because it would lead to the destruction of FIDE if he won. I agreed with his analysis but not with his evaluation of the desirability of that outcome.
I guess if we can score some rubles from FIDE for the betterment of chess here then we
may as well do so. I still wish that the CFC had officially abstained (at the very least) and it would have been nicer if they had denounced IllusionOf as the
megalomaniac we know he is. In any case, it seems clear that likely would not have convinced any other federations to change their allegiance, but it would
have sent a nice clear message.
It would have sent a nice clear message that we enjoy living in the margins. There are things we hope to accomplish such as helping the FQE successfully bid to put on the World Cadet Chess Championship in Montreal. I don't buy the narrative that the central problems with FIDE could somehow be solved by replacing the present management who it seems to me are doing a good job in the current situation and have been successful in helping chess grow around the world over the last several years.
Maybe now G.K. will finally be able to create an alternate federation and garner enough interest among top players to seriously challenge FIDE's bread and
butter and caviar... that would be nice but I am not holding my breath for that to come to pass.
G.K. did not have the support of the top players with a few exceptions. The likelihood of a new federation gaining acceptance is so close to zero that it is not a realistic scenario at this point. What would be the point in dividing and repeating the failed PCA experience from the 1990s?
(Abstaining in the FIDE election) would have sent a nice clear message that we enjoy living in the margins.
Say what? The message of abstaining in a vote is to say that you're not happy with the choices provided, that they are all faulty beyond what is tolerable. Voting for the status quo is the message that you enjoy living in the margins.
One of GK's platforms was to empower national and regional federations, partially by ending the (presumably large) fees they have to pay to FIDE, along with other measures. Anyone living in the margins should have welcomed that message and voted for GK, but there was the legitimate issue of GK's personal style of leadership to consider. He is not exactly the type everyone can feel relaxed and at ease around.
I've often thought voting should be not just the vote itself, but adding anonymous comments (using a keyboard to prevent handwriting recognition). That way the CFC could have abstained and explained it with the comment that the GK platform was great, but the person was not right.
At any rate, this 'enjoy living in the margins' crap is just what we should expect from someone who just can't be rational if he tried... well, I suppose he IS trying, poor fella.
The KI victory does mean you will all have to enjoy living in the margins until something better comes along.
I don't buy the narrative that the central problems with FIDE could somehow be solved by replacing the present management who it seems to me are doing a good job in the current situation and have been successful in helping chess grow around the world over the last several years.
Have you ever been a stockholder, Vlad? Do you know what stockholders do when they perceive that there are central problems in the running of a company? They vote or demand to have present management replaced. Sometimes they don't have to, the present management resigns. We'll never see that in KI's world of FIDE though.
You acknowledge that there are central problems with FIDE, but you say the present mamagement is doing a good job. Perhaps you see the glass 1/4 full rather than 3/4 empty. There are a lot of us far more perceptive than that, and you should have listened to them. Chess kids and their parents don't count, they mostly have no idea about FIDE. But you used your Carnegie sales techniques on them, and then tell everyone here how much they support you! Circular logic taken to an extreme.
But now you have to live with what this corruption of common sense has given you. One thing you've created is a more bitterly divided chess community.
G.K. did not have the support of the top players with a few exceptions. The likelihood of a new federation gaining acceptance is so close to zero that it is not a realistic scenario at this point. What would be the point in dividing and repeating the failed PCA experience from the 1990s?
It is time to move forward and stop looking back.
The problem really is that in considering a new 'chess federation' you focus only on one word: federation. You fail to consider what could happen if someone came along who was to redefine 'chess', and accompany that redefinition with a federation.
If the redefining of 'chess' were to include elements that allowed for a dramatic (but NOT total) flattening of the pyramid, so that the base and middle of the pyramid were much healthier and happier than is the case with FIDE, and were able to receive financial rewards occassionally rather than just constantly fork out money to the top of the pyramid....
... and if the redefining of 'chess' were to add excitement and dynamism to the game so much so that even the general non-playing public were interested in watching both in person and on television....
... the resulting new federation will redefine 'living in the margins' for all those still clinging to the old federation.
It is the karma of the situation that you, Vlad Drkulec, are not meant to see nor understand this concept, even when it is staring at you in black and white. So for myself, despite what anyone may think, this is absolutely acceptable and indicative that the path to change in organized chess is being made clearer and easier. Vlad Drkulec, Hal Bond and their misguided principles were meant to happen.
The CFC and its Executive are not part of the solution, they are part of the problem. But the status quo doesn't have much gas left in the tank, especially for adult chess players.
Only the rushing is heard...
Onward flies the bird.
Re: Funding for IM/GM norm tournaments.Organizers take note
I have been the norm tournament organizer for 9 years now (started Edmonton in 2006 and am currently doing Calgary International). Please let me know if I can assist in organizing those events in some way.
I have been the norm tournament organizer for 9 years now (started Edmonton in 2006 and am currently doing Calgary International). Please let me know if I can assist in organizing those events in some way.
We will definitely be in touch as you have the most recent Canadian experience in running such tournaments.
Re: Funding for IM/GM norm tournaments.Organizers take note
It is comical that we are discussin of ways of organizing IM/GM norm tournaments when the Canadian Zonal (both female and male) and the Canadian Open are not in the plans of being organized.
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