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Anthropogenic Global warming is a joke and a hoax and a religion. The people promoting this often openly, or in the leaked climategate emails, admit that they feel that lying, adjusting, obscuring, hiding or even destroying data to further the cause is a legitimate tactic. They are entitled. They are also entitled not to follow the discipline that they seek to impose on the rest of the great unwashed because they are on a holy mission for Gaia, their goddess.
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I've heard that Suzuki is into that sort of religious belief, too.
To be fair, there is also belief that one of the signs that we may be in the End Times is that the world's weather will be out of kilter. If so, it could be caused by man, or otherwise.
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Anthropogenic Global warming is a joke and a hoax and a religion. The people promoting this often openly, or in the leaked climategate emails, admit that they feel that lying, adjusting, obscuring, hiding or even destroying data to further the cause is a legitimate tactic. They are entitled. They are also entitled not to follow the discipline that they seek to impose on the rest of the great unwashed because they are on a holy mission for Gaia, their goddess.
Too bad this respect for their goddess does not result in respect for women who are simply objects that the newly powerful priests of the state religion can use at their own whim.
At first I just could not believe what I was reading! I fail to understand the point of this report. Who cares if 2014 was the warmest year, or if it was tied with 2010 and 2005? This is completely irrelevant. Who wrote this by the way?
The point is perhaps that it is an example of the 'science' gone wrong (if one trusts it in the first place), and that perhaps not all deniers are necessarily making false claims. Indeed, 2014 was touted as a record, i.e. a sign that things are heating up to this day. I still wonder, why not be more open and continue to call the controversy global warming, if indeed overall warming is supposed to be involved, and be the most significant aspect by far? In fact, 'Global warming' perhaps should still be a better sell (from the point of view of urgency) to the public, if there is indeed real consensus that it is still happening. Anyway, possibly the point of the report was only to mention certain facts that are given; the website could be just a place to provide any kind of updates on matters at all pertaining to the controversy.
I did not see any names attached within the link I gave, although one can commit oneself by emailing the 'contact' given in order to enquire. Perhaps it was a 'shady' denier site, though the story may be true word for word at least for once. Like I alluded to, there were other search results for googling 'is record global average temperature for 2014 within margin of error', but my computer practically crashed while it was finishing loading a site I liked the look of better, apparently because of the script (though sometimes I wonder about malware being involved when I go to a site involving a controversial topic that crashes my computer).
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I suppose 2014 was the year the denier that I listened to the other day was refering to, along with NASA being the announcer originally (at least they later admitted they might have got things wrong). Here's one link (another one I wanted to use caused me problems):
At first I just could not believe what I was reading! I fail to understand the point of this report. Who cares if 2014 was the warmest year, or if it was tied with 2010 and 2005? This is completely irrelevant. Who wrote this by the way?
Not only that, but there can be tricks played with the data, intentionally or not (much like a chess annotator can make an unsound opening look playable). One time I heard a denier explain that there had been a record Global Average Temperature (let's call this GAT) declared for a certain recent year. It was, say, the previous record GAT plus 0.X degrees. What was not mentioned in the announcement (or by the generally left wing media) was that the margin of error was more than 0.X degrees.
I suppose 2014 was the year the denier that I listened to the other day was refering to, along with NASA being the announcer originally (at least they later admitted they might have got things wrong). Here's one link (another one I wanted to use caused me problems):
There are at the least internet sites that dispute the 97% figure as a myth.
I agree. I find it hard to believe that 3% of scientists would be that disconnected from the reality (I have yet to meet a serious scientist that does not believe in climate change). Perhaps they meant 99.7%.
The science IS settled and there is a scientific consensus (97%+ is more than enough to be considered a consensus). Anyone thinking the opposite is either scientifically illiterate or well manipulated by deniers (unfortunately quite a few people fall in one of these categories).
There are at the least internet sites that dispute the 97% figure as a myth.
When the science is arguably not settled, at least in the opinion of some scientists
The science IS settled and there is a scientific consensus (97%+ is more than enough to be considered a consensus). Anyone thinking the opposite is either scientifically illiterate or well manipulated by deniers (unfortunately quite a few people fall in one of these categories).
The problem with that laudable but idealistic viewpoint is that one can doubt the veracity of the DATA. Science is nothing without data. And as soon as you have to ask where the data is coming from, you involve politics, religion, etc. because data can be invented or corrupted in the name of politics, religion, etc. Scientists are not without their faults... some of them can have a bias or can be bought.
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Not only that, but there can be tricks played with the data, intentionally or not (much like a chess annotator can make an unsound opening look playable). One time I heard a denier explain that there had been a record Global Average Temperature (let's call this GAT) declared for a certain recent year. It was, say, the previous record GAT plus 0.X degrees. What was not mentioned in the announcement (or by the generally left wing media) was that the margin of error was more than 0.X degrees.
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Of course, if the question is "what should we do about it", politics, religion, economics and many other things may interfere, but as long as we only ask "is it real or hoax", only science should be taken into account.
The problem with that laudable but idealistic viewpoint is that one can doubt the veracity of the DATA. Science is nothing without data. And as soon as you have to ask where the data is coming from, you involve politics, religion, etc. because data can be invented or corrupted in the name of politics, religion, etc. Scientists are not without their faults... some of them can have a bias or can be bought.
Lately there has been a lot of contradictory data about whether the climate really is warming or not. Suddenly there seems to be, according to some sources, this 'cooling off' period. But again... where is that data coming from?
This whole debate is much like the UFO debate. Will we ever see any 'real' evidence of extraterrestrial visitations of Earth by intelligent beings? There's PLENTY of circumstantial evidence, enough in fact to really weigh heavily in favor of such visitations throughout human history on Earth. But the kind of evidence we really want -- an actual UFO spacecraft in the Smithsonian with a propulsion system beyond our understanding and that works in ways that defy our understanding of physics, for example -- has not yet been produced, and so reasonable doubt can and does exist.
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Of course, if the question is "what should we do about it", politics, religion, economics and many other things may interfere, but as long as we only ask "is it real or hoax", only science should be taken into account.
When the science is arguably not settled, at least in the opinion of some scientists (and perhaps understanding the truth isn't about garnering the most votes, in answer to a question, like being in a democracy, even among a group of scientists), one has to look at motives (politics, religion). Sometimes religion can offer an alternative explanation to science's, too.
Last edited by Kevin Pacey; Wednesday, 11th March, 2015, 06:33 PM.
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Come on. Enough about science is taught in typical high schools in an advanced country like Canada that your example is child's play
About the question I asked, maybe you know the answer (although you did not give any), but many people in the street do not. In many contests (for example, in McDonald's), one has to answer correctly a very simple arithmetic question before getting a prize. I know for a fact that many people are unable to do so, and have to ask for help to other people around.
That's not to say that people necessarily have to take only 'science' into account regarding the climate controversy. There's politics or religion too.
Of course, if the question is "what should we do about it", politics, religion, economics and many other things may interfere, but as long as we only ask "is it real or hoax", only science should be taken into account.
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