2015 Canadian Closed & Zonal

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  • #16
    Re: 2015 Canadian Closed & Zonal

    Congratulations to IM Tomas Krnan - new Canadian Champion! May it spur you on to getting the GM title! Condolences to GM Eric Hansen. Soooo close - and may you finally get it next time!

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    • #17
      Re: 2015 Canadian Closed & Zonal

      We are just making a few corrections to the games in the pgn file. Corrections have been made to round 2, Gerzhoy vs. S. Noritsyn as well as round 8, Sambuev vs. N. Noritsyn. Will keep you posted.

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      • #18
        Re: 2015 Canadian Closed & Zonal

        If you played in the Zonal and find any errors in the pgn file in your games, let us know. Trying to create a perfect pgn for the record.

        Thanks!

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        • #19
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          Is there anywhere we can see the final prizes? The total participation was quite high this year, so at least the top players probably brought home a decent prize.

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          • #20
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            Originally posted by Felix Dumont View Post
            Is there anywhere we can see the final prizes? The total participation was quite high this year, so at least the top players probably brought home a decent prize.
            I witnessed some of the presentations. The three winners were paid $1170 (rounding up to avoid having to make change). Thomas immediately signed the contract to go to the world championship tournament which was photographed and emailed to FIDE. I think Razvan won something like $70 or $75. At the gathering at Swiss Chalet after the obligatory bughouse games some of the parents were joking about him springing for everyone's dinner out of his winnings which would not be sufficient for such a gathering.

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            • #21
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              Thanks Vlad, it seems like the total amount is pretty similar to last time ($6000), although the distribution is slightly different with the winners receiving more. I assume Tomas also received an additional $2000 from the organizer to attend the World Cup, as it was the case in the past.

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              • #22
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                Congratulations Tomas!!!

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                • #23
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                  The cash total prize fund was $3,800. First $2000. Second $1000 Third $500 4th $300. The travel allowance is $1500.

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                  • #24
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                    Is there a reason why we could not have some sort of 3 way playoff for the for the title? These non chess playing tiebreaks seem completely random to me.

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                    • #25
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                      Me too!
                      :)

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                      • #26
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                        Originally posted by Francis Rodriguez View Post
                        Me too!
                        :)
                        Seconded.

                        I may add that for the next qualification to follow similar tie-break system as per World Cup Regulations. Perhaps, do a single round robin if more than 2 players were tied for 1st place in different time controls (i.e. 1st TC = 25 ' + 10'', 2nd TC = 10' + 10 '', 3rd TC 5' +3'' and sudden death game of 4' vs. 5') until the qualifier is finally selected.

                        https://www.fide.com/FIDE/handbook/W...egulations.pdf

                        3. 8 Tie-breaks

                        3. 8. 1. a. If the scores are level after the regular games, after a new drawing of colors, two (2) tie-break games shall be played.
                        The games shall be played using the electronic clock starting with 25 minutes for each player with an addition of 10 seconds after
                        each move.

                        3. 8. 1. b. All tie-break games shall be played according to the Annex 2 of the World Championship Technical Regulations.

                        3. 8. 2. a. If the scores are level after the games in paragraph 3.8.1a, then, after a new drawing of colors, a match of 2 games shall
                        be played to determine the winner with a time control of 10 minutes plus 10 seconds increment after each move. In case of a level
                        score, another match of 2 games shall be played with a time control of 5 minutes plus 3 seconds increment after each move. If
                        still there is no winner, one sudden-death game will be played as described below in 3.8.3a.

                        3. 8. 2. b. The games shall be played according to the Rules mentioned in 3.8.1.b.

                        3. 8. 3. a. If the score is still level after the matches as described in 3.8.2a, the players shall play a single decisive sudden death
                        game. The player who wins the drawing of lots may choose the color. The player with the white pieces shall receive 5 minutes,
                        the opponent with the black pieces shall receive 4 minutes whereupon, after the 60th move, both players shall receive an
                        increment of 3 seconds for each move from move 61. In case of a draw the player with the black pieces is declared the winner.

                        3. 8. 3. b. The games shall be played according to the Rules mentioned in 3.8.1.b.

                        3. 8. 4. Between the tie-break games as well as before the start of the sudden death game there shall be a pause of at least 10
                        minutes, unless the Chief Arbiter decides otherwise.

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                        • #27
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                          Actually, FIDE doesn't have play-off for any of major official swiss (WYCC, World Junior, Olympiad) or round-robin (Candidate tournament, Grand Praix) tournaments. The most famous tie-break case was few years ago then Carlsen and Kramnik finished +3 at Candidate Tournament. At WYCC last 3 Canadian winners (J.Cao, H.Zhu, Q.Zhou) shared the 1-st place and won the title as a result of a higher tie-break.

                          Sure, at the World Cup or the Championship Match there is no other choice, and a play-off is used.

                          Traditionally, Canadian Closed used to have a play-off. The last one was B.Sambuev - E.Hansen 4 years ago. Many players remember epic semi-final match N.Noritsyn - J.Hebert at 2007.

                          I don't see any problem if organizers decided to use a tie-break system and not a play-off. Every rule is fair if announced before the start of the tournament and equally treated all participants. Personally, I would like to see factors like Buchholtz or progress getting higher priority.
                          Last edited by Victor Plotkin; Thursday, 23rd July, 2015, 02:50 PM.

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                          • #28
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                            The crosstable and rating calculations are at the CFC website http://www.chess.ca/crosstable?tourn...mber=201507052

                            It would be great that the website crosstable tie-breaks matched tournament ones, or other way around LOL

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                            • #29
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                              I agree, however SwissSys has a few flaws with regards to tie breaks, just don't seem to work.

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                              • #30
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                                Originally posted by Victor Plotkin View Post
                                Actually, FIDE doesn't have play-off for any of major official swiss (WYCC, World Junior, Olympiad) or round-robin (Candidate tournament, Grand Praix) tournaments. The most famous tie-break case was few years ago then Carlsen and Kramnik finished +3 at Candidate Tournament. At WYCC last 3 Canadian winners (J.Cao, H.Zhu, Q.Zhou) shared the 1-st place and won the title as a result of a higher tie-break.

                                Sure, at the World Cup or the Championship Match there is no other choice, and a play-off is used.

                                Traditionally, Canadian Closed used to have a play-off. The last one was B.Sambuev - E.Hansen 4 years ago. Many players remember epic semi-final match N.Noritsyn - J.Hebert at 2007.

                                I don't see any problem if organizers decided to use a tie-break system and not a play-off. Every rule is fair if announced before the start of the tournament and equally treated all participants. Personally, I would like to see factors like Buchholtz or progress getting higher priority.
                                I could not argue with you Victor!

                                A key point why we are campaigning for the playoff is that the winner should be decided on decisive accumulative points (wins) scored by playing on the chessboard and not on calculation unless time/place does not allow the possibility. As a chess player, I don't want to lose on tiebreaks (especially the order of the tiebreak), I prefer a playoff and fighting chess and I would like the "show must go on" and if I am a follower/spectator of the game, i prefer to watch the excitement until someone emerges victorious.

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