Vlad Drucklec Censor's My Response's to him On The CFC Discussion Boards My Response

[Nigel Hanrahan]

abuse from Sid B

title: "Re: Nigel The Neo Fascist"

Hi Nigel,
I thought you would be proud of wearing the title of Neo Fascist, you are an apologist for Hizbolah, ex dictators where opposition journalists are murdered under their watch, pedophiles like Putin who have people with this knowledge murdered with radoactive poisoning etc etc. You want to label me a neocon ...? If it mean's being the polar opposite to you go for it. Just stay the F@ck out of my threads. Better still why you don't you stay the F@ck away from everyone here at Chesstalk, you are not welcome here. Don't believe it? Hold a poll and ask. If the majority say you are welcome here and I am not I will stay away from here.

re-posting Sid's abuse for the record.

[Sid Belzberg]

Nigel The Neo Fascist

Hi Nigel,
I thought you would be proud of wearing the title of Neo Fascist, you are an apologist for Hizbolah, ex dictators where opposition journalists are murdered under their watch, pedophiles like Putin who have people with this knowledge murdered with radoactive poisoning etc etc. You want to label me a neocon ...? If it mean's being the polar opposite to you go for it. Just stay the F@ck out of my threads. Better still why you don't you stay the F@ck away from everyone here at Chesstalk, you are not welcome here. Don't believe it? Hold a poll and ask. If the majority say you are welcome here and I am not I will stay away from here.

[Nigel Hanrahan]

Jihadi Joe is getting his ass kicked. Who doesn't like it?

... please educate yourself on a subject before you have an urge to shoot your pseudo intellectual cryptofascist mouth off.

I'm just posting this extremist rhetoric in case Sid decides that it's too embarrassing to leave up. This is the reason why Facebook no longer allows links to ChessTalk. People like you, Sid. Check it out. Try and link to ChessTalk from Facebook.

... the reality of what the dynamics of the relationship between ISIS and the Assad regime really are and why they actually work in concert together .. (blah blah)

lol. Four years of NATO and other attempts to wipe out Daesh have failed. A few months of the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) , Hezbollah, some Kurds and the Russian AF have got them scurrying for cover in Turkey and other regional states. This is why the sudden interest in a peace conference by the Americans - even before they could figure out who to invite (lol) - because their local proxies are getting whupped.

Jihadi Joe is getting his ass kicked by the SAA. Tough shit for those who are secretly cheering for the former. And if the Wahhabist mercenaries get booted all the way back to Iraq, then the Americans are going to have to stop pretending to fight them and fight them for real. This is getting like the sorcerer who, having conjured up evil spirits, can no longer control the monsters he's unleashed. Then again, some people really are sick enough to wish for WW3.

[Sid Belzberg]

Stop hijacking threads by changing titles and also pollutiing them with rhetorc.

Nigel as an ex moderator (for good reason you are no longer a moderator) you should know that it is bad netiquette to constantly change the title of a thread and then proceed to pollute it with your own rhetoric. Please start your own threads if you plan to discuss a new subject with a new title rather then polluting other threads.

By the way if you do put up your own thread rather then polluting others please educate yourself on a subject before you have an urge to shoot your pseudo intellectual cryptofascist mouth off. If you have any doubt about most chesstalk readers being sick of you I suggest you put up a poll suggesting that you be banned from chesstalk.

Here is an excellent article from Der Spiegel International from on the ground in Syria about the reality of what the dynamics of the relationship between ISIS and the Assad regime really are and why they actually work in concert together as Assad's forces are to weak to go at it alone on the ground. Russia bombs the civilians and ISIS does the dirty work on the ground. You see for Assad it is preferable to coexist with ISIS instead of not at all in the scenario that the Syrain Moderates are in control. Here is why both Russia and Assad are uninterested in defeating the Islamic State:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...a-1066211.html

[Nigel Hanrahan]

Sanctions will be dropped. The only question is when.

Hizballah, a Shia Islamist militant group whose proclaimed goal is destruction of the State of Israel, has been rightfully classified by Canada as a terrorist organization. See Listed Terrorist Entities at Public Safety Canada.

They are also extremely well-represented in the Lebanese Parliament, run a massive welfare system, and have enormous prestige in the Middle East. They are the first Arab army ever to force Israel to cede control of territory under fire.

In any case, all of this is irrelevant. They are one of the Syrian Arab Army allies against the Daesh [and the other "good" terrorists sponsored by the Western countries, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia]. And they are defeating the terrorists - which is more than we can say after four years of efforts by the US regime and its regional allies to do the same. Hezbollah's status has soared as a result of the Syrian conflict. And, despite the apoplectic pronouncements from various quarters, Iran's relations with other countries - including even the US - has improved remarkably. [Iran is a major sponsor of Hezbollah.] All this bodes well for the defeat of the foreign sponsored Sunni jihadist terrorists.

My argument has simply been that once the US fails to achieve its goal of regime change in Syria - and they have, already, had to publicly backtrack on that goal, even if it is still their hidden aim - then all these sanctions and fabrications won't serve any useful purpose. So they will drop their sanctions as "partially successful" or "served their purpose" or whatever euphemism for failure they wish to use. The only real debate is how long all this will take.

In an election year, the war-like rhetoric from the US (especially the xenophobic Republicans) is really extreme. We shouldn't be guided in our views by such vitriol. The funny thing is, the Republicans have a bit of history of applying some realism to foreign policy (where the Dems can't be seen as "weak") once elected, and one would hope that the neo conservative cabal of zealots might be over-ruled by more sensible views.

[Vadim Tsypin]

Re: The facts on the ground will affect the sanctions

... thanks to the brilliant efforts of the Syrian Arab Army, Hezbollah, and other regional allies...

Hizballah, a Shia Islamist militant group whose proclaimed goal is destruction of the State of Israel, has been rightfully classified by Canada as a terrorist organization. See Listed Terrorist Entities at Public Safety Canada.

[Nigel Hanrahan]

The facts on the ground will affect the sanctions

Regarding FIDE's future, in my opinion, a lot will depend on would EU and other countries duplicate sanctions against Kirsan or not. Usually they do it in about 30 days. More than 60 days have passed already since US sanctions commenced, and no one supported them yet. If this will be the case, then we may all be surprised at the end of the day (I am not a Kirsan's fan, not talking about Vladimir Putin; I am just trying to analyze possible scenarios). US Treasury Department alone has no authority to remove or elect FIDE president(s). However, if EU and other countries will proceed with their sanctions, then Sid will be right. Time will tell.

The Treasury Department actions are all centered around neo-conservative wet dreams of regime change in Syria. Anything to help the cause. But those wet dreams are turning into nightmares, thanks to the brilliant efforts of the Syrian Arab Army, Hezbollah, and other regional allies, and the timely intervention of the Russian Air Force. Once Syria is able to stabilize things, perhaps making things safe for refugees to return, then the whole reason for all the noxious sanctions against FIDE's President will go out the window.

I mean, look at the facts. The US insistence that "Assad must go" is gone. Then their "Peace Conference" - designed to freeze the success after success of the SAA against the Daesh terrorists - also went out the window. I realize that Turkey and Riyadh are making "invasion" noises but I would interpret that more as sour grapes for the humiliating defeat of their proxies.

If I were to make a prediction, then I would say that if Syria is able to continue to administer a well-deserved thrashing to the terrorists, close the supply routes to Turkey, etc., then the idiotic US sanctions will be quietly removed as serving no purpose. FIDE elections in 2018? Should be just about right.

The neo-con wet dreams will continue, of course, as endless war is the alpha and omega of their hideous ideology. I've always felt that Kasparov's clear enthusiasm for such monstrous views, and not only the corruption allegations, etc., was an important reason not to support his political campaign for FIDE's Presidency. But what do I know? I still subscribe to the old-fashioned notion that chess should be a means of making friends not enemies.

[Victor Itkine]

Re: Vlad Drucklec Censor's My Response's to him On The CFC Discussion Boards My Resp

If you ever want to meet face to face to discuss things in a rational and intelligent manner I am always available.

Looks like this thread finally is reaching its Happy End, which was not predictable couple of days ago. I am just wondering, how much time was wasted by Sid and Vlad until they came to this point.

Especially, taking into account that CFC's vote for Kirsan was not a decisive one. Lot of other national chess federations voted for him as well.

Regarding FIDE's future, in my opinion, a lot will depend on would EU and other countries duplicate sanctions against Kirsan or not. Usually they do it in about 30 days. More than 60 days have passed already since US sanctions commenced, and no one supported them yet. If this will be the case, then we may all be surprised at the end of the day (I am not a Kirsan's fan, not talking about Vladimir Putin; I am just trying to analyze possible scenarios). US Treasury Department alone has no authority to remove or elect FIDE president(s). However, if EU and other countries will proceed with their sanctions, then Sid will be right. Time will tell.

Anyway, I think, it would be more useful for CFC and supporters to focus on its own problems, rather to speculate on the future of FIDE.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Re: Vlad Drucklec Censor's My Response's to him On The CFC Discussion Boards My Resp

Despite what you think we wish the CFC well and we are happy if things are going well and I have said as much.

I am usually addressing my messages to multiple people. I am glad that you feel that way. There are some reading this that don't.

When we warned the CFC about the pitfalls of endorsing Kirsan the course of action was in effect to shoot the messenger and to show who is boss as is the CFC's right to do so.
I do not think that approach was helpful for chess in Canada but it was not the end of the world. I do view the CFC's executive's treatment of donors and good potential relationships with world class organizations as egregious and foolish but as I have said that is the CFC's loss not ours.

The executive have a thankless job and they are mostly overloaded with tasks and fires to put out. I think we can agree that a lot of things could have been done differently and perhaps would have led to better feelings all around.

On the larger front I view FIDE as an incredibly corrupt organization controlled and indirectly funded by Vladimir Putin's government and doubt that it will even last in it's current form until 2017 as the sanctions spread across other geographic areas.

I understand your initial reasons for disliking FIDE and withdrawing from chess sponsorship related to holding tournaments in Libya that discriminated against Israeli players. I fully agree with you on that. That was disgraceful.

Again, not my problem.
If you ever want to meet face to face to discuss things in a rational and intelligent manner I am always available.

I am always open to intelligent discussions.

[Sid Belzberg]

Re: Vlad Drucklec Censor's My Response's to him On The CFC Discussion Boards My Resp

What I see is someone intent on pooping in the punch bowl at the party which is not surprising when things are going well. Certain people see a relatively healthy CFC as a threat to their world and their world view.

Despite what you think we wish the CFC well and we are happy if things are going well and I have said as much. When we warned the CFC about the pitfalls of endorsing Kirsan the course of action was in effect to shoot the messenger and to show who is boss as is the CFC's right to do so.
I do not think that approach was helpful for chess in Canada but it was not the end of the world. I do view the CFC's executive's treatment of donors and good potential relationships with world class organizations as egregious and foolish but as I have said that is the CFC's loss not ours.
On the larger front I view FIDE as an incredibly corrupt organization controlled and indirectly funded by Vladimir Putin's government and doubt that it will even last in it's current form until 2017 as the sanctions spread across other geographic areas. Again, not my problem.
If you ever want to meet face to face to discuss things in a rational and intelligent manner I am always available.

[Vlad Drkulec]

Vlad Drkulec censors stuff on the CFC board - How rude!!

3. While Mr. Belzberg's contributions in the past have been substantial, to the best of my knowledge they were done through his company and he has made no significant contribution, personally or otherwise, since around 2008. What leads you to believe he presently has any sort of direct meaningful sponsorship to offer?

My understanding is that it was before that.

4. I too believe it would be a good idea for Mr. Belzberg and Mr. Drkulec should sit down face-to-face and spare us all the petty squabbles here on ChessSquawk, but this issue seems to be very personal for Mr. Belzberg (and the motivations have little or nothing to do with sponsorship). It also seems to be becoming personal for Mr. Drkulec.

Steve

At this point, I don't have the nine or ten hours that this would cost me presumably to drive to Toronto and back to set up a meeting. I might be able to create some additional hours by giving up playing chess for a few months but it is difficult to get back into the groove when you give it up entirely for that length of time at my age. As long as Sid keeps insisting on fighting the FIDE election over and over there is little point in meeting with him. Its over. The world has moved on. What I see is someone intent on pooping in the punch bowl at the party which is not surprising when things are going well. Certain people see a relatively healthy CFC as a threat to their world and their world view.

FIDE and the U.S. treasury department will sort out its problems eventually. Probably it will take a new president on both sides (FIDE and USA) for this to happen but we are less than a year off from that on the U.S. side. For now from the CFC's point of view we continue to move our pieces towards the opponent's king. The attack looks promising.

It looks like there might be a PCA/GMA part three in the works if a certain grandmaster's blog can be believed - at least that is how I connect the dots. Hopefully I am misinterpreting the signs and the tea leaves.

Without really trying much we are up to $13,000 in sponsorships for the upcoming series of tournaments in Windsor. That is not counting the $100,000 in space that Caesars Windsor has provided to us. The Sault Ste. Marie group with more time on their hands is in the stratosphere with their fundraising.

I have not been idle. Having difficulty in posting to Chesstalk has been a bit of a blessing as it has freed up some time. I have made an arrangement with the same online registration system used by several Michigan organizers and also the Continental Chess Association (onlineregistration.cc). This should make the Canadian Open and NAYCC tournaments quite visible to U.S. players. Because we chose to use U.S. currency for one of the events we have to wait to set up NAYCC though the tournament is set up and ready to go - it just needs to be published. The problem is that the online registration has to be adjusted to allow us to denominate tournament entry fees in two different currencies similar to our paypal accounts and bank accounts. We should be live in three business days or more likely after the weekend.

Last weekend I got dragged out to a poetry reading of all things. I haven't been to one of those since the Dark Days in LA.

Somehow I have to find time to organize some YCC's and also to open a chess school before the Caesars Windsor Summer of Chess kicks into high gear. My student Rohan is starting to play like a very strong master at age 11. Every GM he comes in contact with wants him as his student. Life is good. Obiwan has put young Skywalker in contact with Yoda.

[Neil Frarey]

Re: Vlad Drucklec Censor's My Response's to him On The CFC Discussion Boards My Resp

Steve, of those other CFCers who have a deep vested interested, those CFCers who have managed to skillfully hide away any shred left of their dignity, or perhaps have simply stood silent ...it is personal to them too.

Sid does not stand alone.

[Steve Douglas]

Re: Vlad Drucklec Censor's My Response's to him On The CFC Discussion Boards My Resp

Without going into details you are incorrect.

Hi Sid:

I probably should have said "financial" rather than "significant". Although it probably seems otherwise, I meant, and mean, no disrespect regarding your contributions to Canadian Chess.

I stand by my statement that this seems to be very personal to you.

Steve

[Steve Douglas]

Re: Vlad Drucklec Censor's My Response's to him On The CFC Discussion Boards My Resp

Fair point, and if this is the case (material assistance with this is available with no strings attached), the CFC is very foolish for not doing so.

It is unclear exactly what strings were or were not attached. Originally they were, then they "weren't". In any event everything was in the context of the FIDE election. Mig's sole post here included this:

"When you're citing loony stuff like the above [Spraggett] there's obviously no hope of any rational dialogue..."

Calling somebody else irrational is not usually considered an attempt to build a bridge.

Not surprisingly, no rational dialogue followed.

Steve

[Sid Belzberg]

Re: Vlad Drucklec Censor's My Response's to him On The CFC Discussion Boards My Resp

Hi Frank

1. It is no surprise to anyone that FIDE has ethical problems. This is not new.

2. I don't see how failures of past CFC administrations are relevant to the current one, particularly when you refrain from specifics.

3. While Mr. Belzberg's contributions in the past have been substantial, to the best of my knowledge they were done through his company and he has made no significant contribution, personally or otherwise, since around 2008. What leads you to believe he presently has any sort of direct meaningful sponsorship to offer?

4. I too believe it would be a good idea for Mr. Belzberg and Mr. Drkulec should sit down face-to-face and spare us all the petty squabbles here on ChessSquawk, but this issue seems to be very personal for Mr. Belzberg (and the motivations have little or nothing to do with sponsorship). It also seems to be becoming personal for Mr. Drkulec.

Steve

3. While Mr. Belzberg's contributions in the past have been substantial, to the best of my knowledge they were done through his company and he has made no significant contribution, personally or otherwise, since around 2008. What leads you to believe he presently has any sort of direct meaningful sponsorship to offer?

Without going into details you are incorrect.